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Russia accused of orchestrating a coup in Montenegro.

 
 
Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2017 05:05 am
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Russia plotted to assassinate Montenegro's prime minister and overthrow its government in a bid to sabotage the country's plan to join Nato, it has been reported.

Citing senior Whitehall sources, The Sunday Telegraph reported the election-day plot - which involved attacking the tiny eastern European country's parliament - was directed by Russian intelligence officers with the support of Moscow.

However, no such coup occurred as the plot to kill Milo Đukanović was reportedly foiled hours before it was due to be carried out.

The allegation comes a day after Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s Foreign Minister, criticised Nato as a “Cold War institution” whose expansion had led to unprecedented tensions in Europe over the past thirty years.

According to The Sunday Telegraph, the planned coup - scheduled for October 16, 2016 - was one of the strongest recent examples of an increasingly aggressive campaign of interference in Western affairs by Russia.

The Sunday Telegraph also reported that Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, and his US counterpart, Rex Tillerson, discussed the issue last week at their first face-to-face meeting.

The newspaper also reported Interpol is now hunting two Russians who the Montenegrin government claims are intelligence officers who hatched the plot.

It is claimed the pair spent months overseeing the recruitment and equipping of a small force of Serbian nationalists to attack the parliament building, disguised as police, and kill the then-prime minister.


http://www.itv.com/news/2017-02-19/russia-plotted-to-overthrow-montenegros-government-by-assassinating-prime-minister/

The ITV report is secondary, but the Telegraph does not allow cutting and pasting. This is a link to the original article.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/russias-deadly-plot-overthrow-montenegros-government-assassinating/

I don't know how much of a scoop the Telegraph article is, as there were suspicions long before that. The scoop element appears to be confirmation from Whitehall.

From The Guardian November last year.

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Serbia has deported a group of Russians suspected of involvement in a coup plot in neighbouring Montenegro, the Guardian has learned, in the latest twist in a murky sequence of events that apparently threatened the lives of two European prime ministers.


The plotters were allegedly going to dress in police uniforms to storm the Montenegrin parliament in Podgorica, shoot the prime minister, Milo Ðjukanović, and install a pro-Moscow party.


The Russian fingerprints on the October plot have heightened intrigue about Moscow’s ambitions in a part of Europe hitherto thought to be gravitating towards the EU’s orbit.

A group of 20 Serbians and Montenegrins, some of whom had fought with Moscow-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine, were arrested in Podgorica, the Montenegrin capital. In Serbia, meanwhile, several Russian nationals suspected of coordinating the plot were caught with €120,000 and special forces uniforms.

According to the Belgrade daily, Danas, the Russians also had encryption equipment and were able to keep track of Đjukanović’s whereabouts.

Diplomatic sources told the Guardian the Belgrade government quietly deported the Russians after the intervention of the head of the Russian security council, Nikolai Patrushev, who flew to Belgrade on 26 October in an apparent effort to contain the scandal. The country’s interior minister, Nebojša Stefanović denied the government carried out any deportations connected to the plot.

A source close to the Belgrade government said Patrushev, a former FSB (federal security service) chief, apologised for what he characterised as a rogue operation that did not have the Kremlin’s sanction. In Moscow, a Security Council official told Tass that Patrushev “didn’t apologise to anyone, because there is nothing to apologise for”.

The Serbian government was further rattled three days after Patrushev’s visit when a cache of arms was found near the home of the prime minister, Aleksandar Vučić. The weapons were discovered at a junction where Vučić’s car would normally slow down on his way to the house.

Stefanović said there were “strong suspicions” that an organised crime gang had been hired to kill Vučić for €10m, but he would not specify who was behind the alleged plot, saying further investigation would show whether people “outside the region” were involved.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/11/serbia-deports-russians-suspected-of-plotting-montenegro-coup
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2017 10:31 am
@izzythepush,
Montenegro is an interesting spot. Lots of dirty money running through there and just generally big money.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 19 Feb, 2017 11:32 am
@ehBeth,
Places on the frontier between two countries/sytems often are. The Telegraph, (Torygraph) isn't a rag, and they're unlikely to name a Whitehall source if that were not the case.

I suspect May might be trying to wrongfoot Trump on Russia.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2017 05:02 pm
@ehBeth,
I have sailed from Croatia to Greece some years ago, and stopped in some places in Montenegro. The trip started in Zagreb and ended in Cairo.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2017 05:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
That sounds interesting. I've done Crete.
ossobucotemp
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2017 05:33 pm
I've done neither, but am listening..
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2017 05:41 pm
@izzythepush,
My brother, his wife, and my wife and I did a cruise on the Med many years ago, and we stopped over in Crete. I can still picture in my mind's eye the staircase on the fortress wall.

Also the red column façade in Heraklion.
Blickers
 
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Reply Thu 2 Mar, 2017 10:33 pm
@izzythepush,
From the Guardian:
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The plotters were allegedly going to dress in police uniforms to storm the Montenegrin parliament in Podgorica, shoot the prime minister, Milo Ðjukanović, and install a pro-Moscow party.

That's the same plan as when the Russians took over the Crimea, which was located in Ukraine. Russian soldiers in unmarked uniforms from the Russian Naval Base at Sebastopol, Crimea, (the Russians leased the land from Ukraine), went over to the Crimean Capitol building and took over the legislature at gunpoint. They installed a Crimean pro-Russian stooge, Aksyonov, as head of the Crimean government. Said stooge then called for a "referendum" on whether the Crimea wantedto leave Ukraine and join Russia, with the Russian stooge government doing the vote count. Surprise-the vote count showed that Crimea wanted to join Russia.

The UN refused to recognize the results of the referendum by a vote of something like 150-11. But Russia of course said it would recognize the vote count, and accepted the Crimea as Russian territory.

Oh, another surprise, stooge Aksyonov is the new governor of Russian Crimea.

Looks like the Russkies are using the same plan, only throwing in assassination this time. With the Crimea, at least, nobody got killed.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 3 Mar, 2017 01:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
Knossos stands out for me.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 3 Mar, 2017 01:35 am
@Blickers,
They failed though, but they've been remarkably successful in keeping this out of the news. I've had to vote up CI and I've been voted down since this thread poked its head above the water.

Who would have thought that the ideological successors of Joe McCarthy would be such willing supporters of Russian hegemony. Guess all that talk about freedom is, as most of us suspected, a load of old pony, they just want to feel important by strutting about with guns.
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camlok
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2017 04:44 pm
@Blickers,
Pure US propaganda; some things just never change. Can you spell "gullible"? Do you know who are the most gullible folks on the planet?


Quote:

One Year After Russia Annexed Crimea, Locals Prefer Moscow To Kiev


The U.S and European Union may want to save Crimeans from themselves. But the Crimeans are happy right where they are.

One year after the annexation of the Ukrainian peninsula in the Black Sea, poll after poll shows that the locals there -- be they Ukrainians, ethnic Russians or Tatars are mostly all in agreement: life with Russia is better than life with Ukraine.

Little has changed over the last 12 months. Despite huge efforts on the part of Kiev, Brussels, Washington and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, the bulk of humanity living on the Black Sea peninsula believe the referendum to secede from Ukraine was legit. At some point, the West will have to recognize Crimea's right to self rule. Unless we are all to believe that the locals polled by Gallup and GfK were done so with FSB bogey men standing by with guns in their hands.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/#285b8830510d
Blickers
 
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Reply Sat 4 Mar, 2017 11:43 pm
@camlok,
Where were you in February 2014 when Russia took over the Crimea by force right in front of everyone's eyes? It was dominating the news.

From the Guardian:
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On Thursday, masked gunmen with rocket-propelled grenades and sniper rifles seized the parliament building and government offices in Simferopol. The Russian flag was raised above the parliament.

[Overthrown by Ukrainians] Yanukovych gave a press conference in the southern Russian city of Rostov-on-Don on Friday afternoon, saying Crimea should remain part of Ukraine and claiming he was still president. Russian government sources say they have offered "protection" to Yanukovych in Russia, though it remains unclear how he arrived in the country.

In further worrying signs for Kiev, Russia's parliament began considering two new laws on Friday. One of them offers eased citizenship requirements for Russian-speaking Ukrainians, removing the requirement that they should have lived in Russia for an extended period, while the other makes it easier for Russia to add new territories to its existing boundaries.

The latter law, which appears to be aimed pointedly at the Crimea situation, says territories can be added by a local referendum "in the case that a foreign country does not have effective sovereign state authority".
Unidentified gunmen wearing camouflage uniforms guard the entrance to the military airport at the Black Sea port of Sevastopol in Crimea, Ukraine, Friday, Feb. 28, 2014.

http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah279/LeviStubbs/1b1a24ce-0431-4a89-9f13-df936ab9585e-460x276_zps3k9yaaoh.jpegUnidentified gunmen wearing camouflage uniforms guard the entrance to the military airport at Sevastopol in Crimea. Photograph: Ivan Sekretarev/AP

Sergei Aksenov, the new prime minister of Crimea, has said he does not recognise Kiev authorities and still believes Yanukovych to be the legitimate Ukrainian president.


The Russians took over, then annexed Crimea from Ukraine because Ukraine dumped the president, Yanukovych, who caved into Putin and gave up Ukraine's chance of joining the EU, (it was about to do so), and instead joined Russia's broke-ass economic union. Doing this ensured Russian control of the Ukrainian economy but would also keep Ukraine poor for at least the next 25 years. That's why Russia took the Crimea from Ukraine.

camlok
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 01:35 pm
@Blickers,
Where were you in 2017, Saturday, March 4th, when your propagandist bubble got burst. Next, you're going to try to tell us that Russia overthrew the democratically elected government of Ukraine.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 03:10 pm
@camlok,
They failed to do that which is why they annexed Crimea. Russian soldiers are fighting Ukrainian troops in the East.

You might want to ask yourself why you can so easily dismiss three British news sources as American propaganda, especially when one of those sources is the Guardian, a paper highly critical of American actions in the past.

I don't have the luxury of the Atlantic Ocean separating me from Putin. He is a threat, and there's plenty of East Europeans over here (Britain) who consider him a huge threat. Why do you think former Russian satellite states were so keen to join NATO, and why Poland and the Baltic states make sure they keep their commitments on defence spending while Western European countries like Germany aren't as bothered? It's not because Putin is a nice guy, he's a threat to Western democracy.
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 05:50 pm
@izzythepush,
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They failed to do that which is why they annexed Crimea.


Pure piffle. Why would Russia overthrow the Ukraine government. They were aligned with Russia. Had Russia overthrown the Ukraine government, Putin would have been walking down the streets of Kiev. Instead it was the US Victoria "**** the EU" Nuland, walking with her neoNazi cohorts.

Just ask yourself, who is it that has always totally controlled the narrative. You make a phony argument about British press being some guardians of the truth. For christ's sake, how many British war criminals are still walking around free after the illegal invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, ... ?

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On February 4, 2014, a recording of a phone call between Nuland and U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, on January 28, 2014 was published on YouTube.[13][14] The State Department and the White House suggested that an assistant to the deputy prime minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin was the source of the leak, which he denied.[15][16][17]

In their phone conversation, Nuland and Pyatt discussed who should be in the government after Viktor Yanukovych's ouster and in what ways they might achieve that transition, with the name of Arseniy Yatsenyuk (whom Nuland refers to as "Yats") coming up several times. Specifically, the two spoke about which opposition leaders they would like to see in government, what pitches they would give each opposition leader in subsequent calls to achieve this, and strategies on how they would try to manage the 'personality problems' and conflicts between the different opposition leaders with ambitions to become president.[14][15] Yatsenyuk became prime minister of Ukraine on February 27, 2014.[18]

In the recording, Nuland makes an obscene reference to the European Union.[19] After discussing Ukrainian opposition figures Nuland states that she prefers the United Nations as mediator, instead of the European Union, adding "**** the EU", and Pyatt responds, "Oh, exactly ...."[14][20]
According to the Washington Post,

[Nuland] was dismissively referring to slow-moving European efforts to address political paralysis and a looming fiscal crisis in Ukraine. But it was the blunt nature of her remarks, rather than U.S. diplomatic calculations, that seemed exceptional.

Nuland also assessed the political skills of Ukrainian opposition figures with unusual candor and, along with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, debated strategy for their cause, laying bare a deep degree of U.S. involvement in affairs that Washington officially says are Ukraine’s to resolve.[21]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland



izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 06:08 pm
@camlok,
Because Ukraine has just elected a pro EU government. That's why. What's piffle is when you refuse to accept reality.

Type Ukraine into search forums and you will find an array of threads started by Russian propagandists accusing the Ukrainians of being Nazis.

Your tunnel vision stops you being objective. Russia= good, West = bad is every bit as wrong as any other absolutist thinking.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 06:09 pm
@camlok,
When did Britain invade Syria?
camlok
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 06:22 pm
@izzythepush,
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What's piffle is when you refuse to accept reality.


Only you know what a gigantic laugh that is, Izzy. Why don't you let folks know?

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Type Ukraine into search forums and you will find an array of threads started by Russian propagandists accusing the Ukrainians of being Nazis.


Who has been controlling the narrative since WWII? Ever hear of Operation Gladio?

I didn't offer a narrative of Russia = good. That's your propaganda.

Why are you avoiding the vicious US/UK war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan, predicated on a set of massive lies, where they falsely accused 19 Arabs of doing something that was not remotely possible for them to have done?

The implications are damning but no one wants to go there. And why? It's not as if the US hasn't done this before Iraq and Afghanistan. What's 3,000 Americans when they ensured 58,000 in Vietnam, matched to the 3,000,000 the US slaughtered there with the assistance of the Brits, Canada, Australia, ... .

Those initial falsehoods have been expanded to include Islam as "radical Islam" just as the equally false commie scare of last century maligned millions of people who did nothing.
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camlok
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 06:25 pm
@izzythepush,
The US has been trying to overthrow the government of Syria for years.

The UK supports and has supported the USA in its illegal invasions, its terrorism since WWII. No longer able to rape and pillage on its own, the UK became a junior partner, a capo, instead of the big boss.

General Wesley Clark: Wars Were Planned - Seven Countries In Five Years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

ehBeth
 
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Reply Sun 5 Mar, 2017 06:28 pm
@izzythepush,
Oldish but interesting article about Montenegro.

http://torontolife.com/city/destination-munkistan/

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The latest project of the gold magnate Peter Munk is a seaside resort and tax haven for fellow billionaires in the post-Soviet backwater of Tivat, Montenegro. A delirious tour of a world of champagne-drenched parties, supersize yachts and the recession-proof Ultra-High Net Worth Individual


 

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