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blatham
 
  3  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:13 am
@ossobucotemp,
"cel", with one "l".

A lot of years ago, I built a very workable cel-animation table but then realized I'd badly overestimated my artist talents. Also, couldn't afford a 16mm movie camera. But studied and learned a lot about animation at the time so well worth it.

I don't blame your aunt for regret on that one. Many of those would be worth some good money now.
camlok
 
  0  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:20 am
@giujohn,
I don't argue with Farmerman either. I simply discuss the issues, the ones that have been long hidden from everyone. Can you think of any good reason that things should be hidden by governments from their citizens?

See,

https://able2know.org/topic/369218-2

The discussion starts about six posts down.
camlok
 
  1  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:24 am
@layman,
The entire population of the US, or at least a good portion of it has "done been played".

You are aware that the press is protected in its job by the US constitution. You are familiar with that document, aren't you?
layman
 
  -3  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:27 am
@camlok,
camlok wrote:

You are aware that the press is protected in its job by the US constitution. You are familiar with that document, aren't you?


I am aware that it is a felony for a journalist (and anybody else) to publicize classified information, sure, if that's what you're asking.

The constitution does not condone treason, know what I'm sayin?
farmerman
 
  6  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:33 am
@blatham,
what scares me most about der Herr, is his attempts at undermining every basis of trust that we Americans are used to. Qe are falling for the Joe Goebels crap that asserted

"If you repeat a lie often enough and with enough passion, it soon becomes a FACT"

Trump hqs got that from the Reich cookbook's chief chef.
blatham
 
  5  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:34 am
For those who don't mind digging in a bit into an influential core of conservatism as we see it now, this is very good. I've mentioned Shadia Drury (University of Regina) before as a great resource for understanding neoconservatism...
Quote:
As political scientist Shadia Drury has pointed out, Kristol’s evolving view of populism was heavily influenced by the reactionary political philosopher Leo Strauss, a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany. Though atheistic in his own personal views, Strauss objected to the fact that the Enlightenment, and the philosophy of liberalism that constituted its political expression, privileged reason over religious faith, which he thought was the glue that held society together; without that glue, he believed, the social order would descend into Nazi-style barbarism. Through his reading of Strauss, Kristol was also influenced by the ideas of Carl Schmitt, who served as the legal-political philosopher of the Nazi regime in its early years. Schmitt considered the whole idea of parliamentary democracy, with its naïve and romantic notion of accommodation among political rivals, as absurd and futile. The key to politics, he believed, was adopting a “friend/foe” mentality of identifying your political enemy and then bringing about his political destruction. And the enemy, in his view, was liberalism itself, in all its manifestations.

...In the final paragraph of her book Leo Strauss and the American Right, published in 1997, Shadia Drury offers a description of the neoconservative movement birthed by Strauss that doubles, virtually unaltered, as a prescient summation of Trumpism:

Quote:
It echoes all the dominant features of his philosophy—the political importance of religion, the necessity of nationalism, the language of nihilism, the sense of crisis, the friend/foe mentality, the hostility toward women, the rejection of modernity, the nostalgia for the past, and the abhorrence of liberalism. And having established itself as the dominant ideology of the Republican Party, it threatens to remake America in its own image.
NewRepublic
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farmerman
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:35 am
@giujohn,
Quote:
Even I don't argue with farmerman on this type of subject.


I usually look out the window searching for flying pigs whenever that happens.
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camlok
 
  3  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:39 am
@layman,
Do you know who Daniel Ellsberg is? What about Glen Greenwald? How many news organizations have "publicized" Edward Snowden's leaks, Ms Manning's leaks?
blatham
 
  5  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:39 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
what scares me most about der Herr, is his attempts at undermining every basis of trust that we Americans are used to.

Yes. That's really the only way an aggressive authoritarian can neutralize the institutions and values and norms that stand in the way of maximal control by such a figure as Trump.

As to use of the office and its powers to run a propaganda operation - we've never seen anything like this before. Did you read Rosen's piece on Bannon's styrofoam balls? It's worthwhile http://pressthink.org/
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camlok
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:41 am
@farmerman,
That is disingenuous at best.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:43 am
@layman,
layman wrote:
I am aware that it is a felony for a journalist (and anybody else) to publicize classified information, sure, if that's what you're asking.
Of course, the Pentagon Papers, Watergate, WikiLeaks, Plame Affair ... those damned cheese eaters!

Btw: President Trump repeatedly referenced stolen and leaked information about his political opponents during the 2016 campaign ... ...
blatham
 
  4  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:50 am
Quote:
Donald Trump Thinks He’s Good at Being President

Donald Trump’s disorienting, surreal press conference contained one moment of pristine clarity, when the president predicted, “Tomorrow, the headlines are going to be, ‘Donald Trump rants and raves.’” This prediction, while quite correct, raises the question of why Trump thought it was a good idea to hold a media event whose principal effect would be to produce headlines depicting him as rambling and unhinged. Reports from the administration have supplied the answer, which is quite simple: His boasts spring from a place of utter, self-delusional conviction.

Trump, reports Mike Allen, “truly believes this had been the best start to a presidency in history, and no one around would ever disagree to his face.” The New York Times has the same account, with more detail. “For days, a frustrated and simmering president fumed inside the West Wing residence about what aides said he saw as his staff’s inadequate defense and the ineffectiveness of his own tweets,” it reports. “Over the objections of some top advisers who wanted to steer him away from confrontation, Mr. Trump demanded to face the media, determined to reject the narrative that his administration is sinking into chaos, scandal and incompetence.”
NYMag
Definitely read all of this from Jon Chait. This, by the way, is our winner of "The Most Perfectly and Amazingly True While Being Admirably Succinct Headline" award.
layman
 
  -1  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:52 am
From the failing NYT, eh?

Quote:
If Donald Trump Targets Journalists, Thank Obama

Over the past eight years, the administration has prosecuted nine cases involving whistle-blowers and leakers, compared with only three by all previous administrations combined.

Mr. Obama’s record of going after both journalists and their sources has set a dangerous precedent that Mr. Trump can easily exploit. “Obama has laid all the groundwork Trump needs for an unprecedented crackdown on the press,” said Trevor Timm, executive director of the nonprofit Freedom of the Press Foundation.

More significantly, the Obama administration won a ruling from the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals in my case that determined that there was no such thing as a “reporter’s privilege” — the right of journalists not to testify about their confidential sources in criminal cases. Judith Miller, then a New York Times reporter, went to jail for nearly three months before finally testifying in the case.

That court ruling could result, for example, in a reporter’s being quickly jailed for refusing to comply with a subpoena from the Trump administration’s Justice Department to reveal the C.I.A. sources used for articles on the agency’s investigation into Russian hacking during the 2016 presidential election.


https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html?_r=0

OK, then: Thanks, Obama!

I can see Jake Tapper in an orange jumpsuit now. This is gunna be fun!

Word is out that Sessions will have the FBI bust onto the set of CNN while Tapper is broadcasting and handcuff his sorry ass when they execute the arrest warrant. For safety's sake they will need to strip-search him on the spot. It kinda goes without saying that they will be required to rough his ass up in the process. If he can come out of it with only a few teeth missing and a broken nose he will be lucky.
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blatham
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 10:57 am
Quote:
Trump Ends the Presidential Press Conference As We Know It

Perhaps the most important thing to happen at today’s press conference is that respectable Republicans in Washington and elsewhere had to be at least disturbed a bit by the spectacle, which no one could imagine any prior Republican president since Nixon, and probably not even the Tricky One, producing. At some point they will have to ask themselves exactly how much damage to traditional politics and government they are willing to accept in exchange for cutting taxes, criminalizing abortion, or giving the people who own most of the country relief from regulations.
Ed Kilgore NYMag
farmerman
 
  3  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 11:01 am
@blatham,
can one really rant AND rave? doesnt one rant if one raves???

We must be precise as well as concise
Economy in word usage is admired if its correct.
camlok
 
  0  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 11:10 am
@farmerman,
Yes. It's a very well established idiom.
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blatham
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 11:10 am
@farmerman,
Well, Trump is such a magnificent example of the exceptional brain/mind that he can do opposite things at the same time without the slightest effort.

A quick look at his presser yesterday demonstrates clearly that he can speak/think with sparkling originality and dead on truthfulness even while using thoughtless cliches and obvious falsehoods.

He's very special.
farmerman
 
  3  
Fri 17 Feb, 2017 11:22 am
@blatham,
Thank you. Ive always been a precisionist when it comes to seriatal words.
Like "hunting and gathering" or"vim and vigor"

Our latest president is "special"
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farmerman
 
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Fri 17 Feb, 2017 11:23 am
@blatham,
for example, if your special, can you be very special??
 

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