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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
farmerman
 
  1  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 07:00 pm
@coldjoint,
Im always open to correction. thank you.
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InfraBlue
 
  3  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:23 pm
@oralloy,
Nuh-uh.
oralloy
 
  -3  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:41 pm
@InfraBlue,
Wrong again. Your false accusations of imaginary atrocities are extremely antisemitic. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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oristarA
 
  1  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:41 pm
Obama tweeted 8hr ago:

You don't need me to tell you what's at stake in this election. Now is the time to show up and vote like never before to elect Democratic candidates up and down the ballot. Educate yourself on the candidates running and vote: http://iwillvote.com/obama

*******************************************
PS. A linguistic question: I don't quite understand the use of "up and down": For Obama apparently refers to the vote in this general election and it is a competition between Democrats and Republicans. So Obama's intention is obvious: To elect Democratic candidates up and elect Republican candidates down! So it is a bit confusing to me that the phrase is "to elect Democratic candidates up and down " as if the election is happening only in the Democratic Party.

Who would like to answer my question?


oralloy
 
  -2  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:48 pm
@oristarA,
There are a number of races to vote on in most elections. Sometimes the President. Sometimes a Senator. Usually a Congressman. Also a variety of state and local officials.

Up and down the ballot means to vote in all the races on the ballot.

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By the way, I don't know if you saw my answer to your question here:
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-4750#post-7058319
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roger
 
  3  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:54 pm
@oristarA,

oristarA wrote:

Who would like to answer my question?


I would like to, but it doesn't really make sense. It's used commonly to indicate completely or thoroughly. He could also have said "all the way through the ballot". Can we just call it idiomatic, without explanation?
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BillW
 
  3  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 08:57 pm
@oristarA,
You don't vote against, or down on any candidate. You only vote for the candidate you want.

To vote ”up and down the ballot" in the phraseology Obama is using, he is suggesting you vote Democrats "up and down the entire ballot".

My suggestion, on our ballot you can vote Democrat "up and down the entire ballot" with just one punch, switch, color in box or whatever other means you have to make your selection choice. Use that method and you only have to make your choice once! Now, you have voted Democrat "up and down the entire ballot"
MontereyJack
 
  2  
Thu 24 Sep, 2020 10:47 pm
@BillW,
Not all states have that one punch option. In MA you have to vote the dem choice in each race separatelyto vote dem up and down the ballot.. and I
m pretty sure there are no punch card ballots anymore. You mostly have to blacken an oval to vote for someone.
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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 05:31 am
Will Trump’s Presidency Ever End?

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Toward the beginning of a wise and beautifully stated essay about American partisanship and the response to Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s death, the lawyer and political commentator David French wrote, “I have never in my adult life seen such a deep shudder and sense of dread pass through the American political class.”

I don’t think the shudder was confined to the political class. And the day after Ginsburg died, I felt a shudder just as deep.

That was when Trump supporters descended on a polling location in Fairfax, Va., and sought to disrupt early voting there by forming a line that voters had to circumvent and chanting, “Four more years!”

This was no rogue group. This was no random occurrence. This was an omen — and a harrowing one at that.

Republicans are planning to have tens of thousands of volunteers fan out to voting places in key states, ostensibly to guard against fraud but effectively to create a climate of menace. Trump has not just blessed but encouraged this. On Fox News last month, he bragged to Sean Hannity about all the “sheriffs” and “law enforcement” who would monitor the polls on his behalf. At a rally in North Carolina, he told supporters: “Be poll watchers when you go there. Watch all the thieving and stealing and robbing they do.”

Color me alarmist, but that sounds like an invitation to do more than just watch. Trump put an exclamation point on it by exhorting those supporters to vote twice, once by mail and once in person, which is of course blatantly against the law.

Is a fair fight still imaginable in America? Do rules and standards of decency still apply? For a metastasizing segment of the population, no. That’s the toxic wellspring of the dread that French mentioned. That’s the moral of the madness in Virginia.

Right on cue, we commenced a fight over Ginsburg’s Supreme Court seat that could become a protracted death match, with Mitch McConnell’s haste and unabashed hypocrisy potentially answered by court packing, among other acts of vengeance, if Democrats win the presidency and the Senate.

That’s a big if, because we’re also hurtling toward an Election Day that may decide exactly nothing — and I don’t mean that night. I mean for months. I mean forever.

Talk about a shudder: On Wednesday Trump was asked if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power in the event that he lost to Joe Biden. Shockingly but then not really, he wouldn’t. He prattled anew about mail-in ballots and voter fraud and, perhaps alluding to all of the election-related lawsuits that his minions have filed, said: “There won’t be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation.”

We’re in terrible danger. Make no mistake. This country, already uncivil, is on the precipice of being ungovernable, because its institutions are being so profoundly degraded, because its partisanship is so all-consuming, and because Trump, who rode those trends to power, is now turbocharging them to drive America into the ground. The Republican Party won’t apply the brakes.

The week since Ginsburg’s death has been the proof of that. Many of us dared to dream that a small but crucial clutch of Republican senators, putting patriotism above party, would realize that to endorse McConnell’s abandonment of his own supposed principle about election-year Supreme Court appointments would be a straw too many, a stressor too much and a guarantee of endless, boundless recrimination and retribution. At some point, someone had to be honorable and say, “Enough.”

Hah. Only two Republican senators, Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins, broke with McConnell, and in Collins’s case, there were re-election considerations and hedged wording. All the others fell into line.

I don’t blame it on a lack of courage. I attribute it to something worse. Most politicians — and maybe most Americans — now look across the political divide and see a band of crooks who will pick your pocket if you’re meek and dumb enough not to pick theirs first. The person who leaves his or her wallet out in the open, as a gesture of good will, can’t complain when he or she winds up broke.

“It’s the Wild West,” said a Republican strategist who is no fan of Trump’s but was using that metaphor to defend McConnell to me. I had reached out to the strategist to vent my disgust.

“It’s all about situational power dynamics,” he continued. “If the situation were reversed, the Dems would be doing the same thing.” He argued that Chuck Schumer and McConnell “play the same game. McConnell just plays it a little better.”

So the lesson for Democrats should be to take all they can when they can? That’s what some prominent Democrats now propose: As soon as their party is in charge, add enough seats to the Supreme Court to give Democrats the greater imprint on it. Make the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico states, so that Democrats have much better odds of controlling the Senate. Do away with the filibuster entirely. That could be just the start of the list.

I wouldn’t begrudge the Democrats any of it. The way I’m feeling right now, I’d cheer them on. But Republicans reach back to Harry Reid’s actions when he was the Democratic majority leader of the Senate to justify their wickedness now. Democrats will cite that wickedness to justify the shattering of precedents in the future. Ugliness begets ugliness until — what? The whole thing collapses of its own ugly weight?

And who the hell are we anymore? The world’s richest and most powerful country has been brought pitifully and agonizingly low. On Tuesday we passed the mark of 200,000 deaths related to the coronavirus, cementing our status as the global leader, by far, on that front. How’s that for exceptionalism?

On Wednesday The Atlantic rushed its November cover story onto the web with an explanatory, almost apocalyptic note by its editor in chief, Jeffrey Goldberg, that some journalism is too important to wait. The article is about the very real chance — essentially confirmed hours later by Trump’s “continuation” comment — that he might contest the election in a manner that keeps him in power regardless of what Americans really want.

“The coronavirus pandemic, a reckless incumbent, a deluge of mail-in ballots, a vandalized Postal Service, a resurgent effort to suppress votes, and a trainload of lawsuits are bearing down on the nation’s creaky electoral machinery,” the article’s author, Barton Gellman, a Pulitzer winner, wrote. “The mechanisms of decision are at meaningful risk of breaking down. Close students of election law and procedure are warning that conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis that would leave the nation without an authoritative result. We have no fail-safe against that calamity.”

Just a few days before those words screeched across the internet, The New Yorker published a similar, equally chilling opus by one of its star writers, Jeffrey Toobin, who explained how this election might well degenerate into violence, as Democratic poll watchers clash with Republican poll watchers, and into chaos, as accusations of foul play delay the certification of state vote counts.

Several hours after Gellman’s article appeared, Slate published one by Richard Hasen, a professor at the University of California-Irvine School of Law, with the headline: “I’ve Never Been More Worried About American Democracy Than I Am Right Now.”

Sometimes an overlap of alarms like that reflects groupthink. Sometimes it signals hysteria. This isn’t either of those times.

“The republic is in greater self-generated danger than at any time since the 1870s,” Richard Primus, a professor of law at the University of Michigan Law School, told me, saying that Trump values nothing more than his own power and will do anything that he can get away with.

I spoke with Primus, fittingly enough, as he drove home to Michigan from Washington, where he was paying tribute to Ginsburg, for whom he was a clerk two decades ago.

“If you had told Barack Obama or George W. Bush that you can be re-elected at the cost that American democracy will be permanently disfigured — and in the future America will be a failed republic — I don’t think either would have taken the deal.” But Trump? “I don’t think the survival of the republic particularly means anything to Donald Trump.”

What gave Primus that idea? Was it when federal officers used tear gas on protesters to clear a path for a presidential photo op? Was it when Trump floated the idea of postponing the election, just one of his many efforts to undermine Americans’ confidence in their own system of government?

Or was it when he had his name lit up in fireworks above the White House as the climax of his party’s convention? Was it on Monday, when his attorney general, Bill Barr, threatened to withhold federal funds from cities that the president considers “anarchist”? That gem fit snugly with Trump’s talk of blue America as a blight on red America, his claim that the pandemic would be peachy if he could just lop off that rotten fruit.

The deadly confrontations recently in Kenosha, Wis., and Portland, Ore., following months of mass protests against racial injustice, speak to how profoundly estranged from their government a significant percentage of Americans feel. These Americans have lost or are losing faith that the system can treat them fairly.

“Tribal,” “identity politics,” “fake news” and “hoax” are now mainstays of our vocabulary, indicative of a world where facts and truth are suddenly relative. Yours may contradict mine, eroding any common ground and preventing any consensus. Yes, there were conspiracy theories and there was viciously ugly feuding before — there were duels! — but there were no Facebook or Twitter to accelerate the sorting of people into ideological cliques and to pour accelerant on the fires of their suspicion and resentment.

Those fires are burning hot, with dire implications for what happens after Nov. 3. Sizable camps of people in both parties don’t see any way that the other could win honestly and won’t regard the ensuing government as legitimate. Trump has essentially commanded his followers to take that view.

And he’s foreshadowing legal shenanigans by his team that would leave many Democratic voters feeling robbed. Try this on for size: Litigation to determine the next president winds up with the Supreme Court, where three Trump-appointed justices are part of a majority decision in his favor. It’s possible.

“Things that seemed off-the-wall are now on-the-wall,” Hasen told me. Last February he released a book, “Election Meltdown: Dirty Tricks, Distrust, and the Threat to American Democracy,” the title of which now reads, if anything, as understated.

What’s the far side of a meltdown? America the puddle? While we await the answer, we get a nasty showdown over that third Trump justice. Trump will nominate someone likely to horrify Democrats and start another culture war: anything to distract voters from his damnable failure to address the pandemic.

Rush Limbaugh — you know, the statesman whom Trump honored with the Presidential Medal of Freedom earlier this year — has urged McConnell not even to bother with a confirmation hearing for the nominee in the Judiciary Committee and to go straight to a floor vote. Due diligence and vetting are so 2018.

Some Democrats have suggested boycotting the hearing in protest and in recognition of the (usually) predetermined outcomes of these grandstanding sessions. Some floated the impeachment of Barr (who deserves it) to gum up the timetable.

You know who has most noticeably and commendably tried to turn down the temperature? Biden. That’s of course its own political calculation, but it’s consistent with his comportment during his entire presidential campaign, one that has steered clear of extremism, exalted comity and recognized that a country can’t wash itself clean with more muck.

He’s our best bid for salvation, which goes something like this: An indisputable majority of Americans recognize our peril and give him a margin of victory large enough that Trump’s challenge of it is too ludicrous for even many of his Republican enablers to justify. Biden takes office, correctly understanding that his mandate isn’t to punish Republicans. It’s to give America its dignity back.

There is another school of thought: Maybe we need some sort of creative destruction to get to a place of healing and progress. Maybe we need to hit rock bottom before we bounce back up.

But what if there’s bottom but no bounce? I wonder. And shudder.

nyt/bruni
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hightor
 
  2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 05:37 am
@coldjoint,
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He said "republic". I believe Hightor would call that an epic fail.

No. It's a simple mistake. But attributing "Read my lips no new taxes" to Bill Clinton certainly qualifies as an "epic fail"!
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 05:51 am
@coluber2001,
coluber2001 wrote:


Over the weekend, Republican Steve Schmidt, who ran John McCain's 2008 campaign for president, was interviewed on MSNBC.

In response to a very general question regarding the Trump Presidency, Mr. Schmidt spoke for two solid minutes and gave the most insightful and brutally honest response of what the Trump Presidency has done to our country.

“Donald Trump has been the worst president this country has ever had. And, I don't say that hyperbolically. He is. But he is a consequential president. And, he has brought this country in three short years to a place of weakness that is simply unimaginable if you were pondering where we are today from the day where Barack Obama left office. And, there were a lot of us on that day who were deeply skeptical and very worried about what a Trump presidency would be. But this is a moment of unparalleled national humiliation, of weakness.”

"When you listen to the President, these are the musings of an imbecile. An idiot. And I don't use those words to name call. I use them because they are the precise words of the English language to describe his behavior. His comportment. His actions. We've never seen a level of incompetence, a level of ineptitude so staggering on a daily basis by anybody in the history of the country whose ever been charged with substantial responsibilities.”

"It's just astonishing that this man is president of the United States. The man, the con man, from New York City. Many bankruptcies, failed businesses, a reality show, that branded him as something that he never was. A successful businessman. Well, he's the President of the United States now, and the man who said he would make the country great. And he's brought death, suffering, and economic collapse on truly an epic scale."

"And, let's be clear. This isn't happening in every country around the world. This place. Our place. Our home. Our country. The United States. We are the epicenter. We are the place where you're the most likely to die from this disease. We're the ones with the most shattered economy. And we are, because of the fool that sits in the Oval Office." (borrowed this) 🇺🇸 🗽 🌎


I watched the interview. Steve Schmidt is right on the money. Trump is a disaster for our country. The fact that there still are people supporting him...particularly Republicans in national office...is appalling. The Republican Party should go out of business...and be replaced by a political party composed of sane adults.
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 10:45 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
He said "republic". I believe Hightor would call that an epic fail.

No. It's a simple mistake. But attributing "Read my lips no new taxes" to Bill Clinton certainly qualifies as an "epic fail"!

I disagree. A "republic" is very different than a "democracy".
hightor
 
  4  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 10:51 am
@coldjoint,
At least he got the source right!
coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 10:58 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

At least he got the source right!

A pleasant surprise.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 10:58 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:
A "republic" is very different than a "democracy".

In a democracy, the government under the direct or representative rule of the people of its jurisdiction - in a republic, the sovereignty rests with the people or their representatives.

A constitutional monarchy like the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a democratic constitutional monarchy.
The Federal Republic of Germany is a democratic and social federal state.



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Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 11:02 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
At least he got the source right!
That will motivate him!
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 04:13 pm
Quote:
Texas Democrat Official, 3 Others Indicted on 134 Felony Counts Involving Mail-In Ballot Fraud

Considering the talk about turning Texas Blue. This gives you an idea of how Democrats intend to do that.
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A Texas Democrat county commissioner was arrested Thursday on charges that he and three associates committed mail-in ballot fraud in a 2018 primary election.

Gregg County commissioner Shannon Brown – along with Marlena Jackson, Charlie Burns, and DeWayne Ward – was indicted by a grand jury, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton announced.

Brown won his March Democratic primary by a tally of 1,047 to 1,042. He received a much greater share of his support from absentee ballots, according to the Texas Tribune.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/texas-democrat-official-3-others-indicted-on-134-felony-counts-involving-mail-in-ballot-fraud/
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coldjoint
 
  -2  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 04:31 pm
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Supreme Court Pick 2020: The Dems Can’t Win For Losing, And It’s Hilarious

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Hey Dems, you know, when you keep rolling the dice, and it comes up “snake eyes” on you like it has for the Democrats gambling on Merrick Garland, gambling on Hillary Clinton, gambling on Ruth Bader Ginsburg staying alive, it just might be time to step away from the table before you go busted.

Getting a majority on SCOTUS is the goal, not the election of Trump.

If you don’t understand that, you don’t understand conservatives, which makes you unfit to criticize them.

Another Conservative justice will screw up the Democrats agenda for about 40 years. That works for me.

https://thepoliticalinsider.com/supreme-court-pick-2020-the-dems-cant-win-for-losing-and-its-hilarious/?utm_source=home-headline-stories
oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 04:36 pm
@coldjoint,
If the Democrats gain control over the House, Senate, and White House this November, they will have the power to expand the Supreme Court to 15 seats and let Mr. Biden pick the six new justices.

It would be good to prevent that.
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Sturgis
 
  3  
Fri 25 Sep, 2020 04:41 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Another Conservative...


Maybe, maybe not. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have already disappointed thousands of far to the right Conservative folk by following the letter of the law when arriving at their decisions.

Additionally, over time their thinking may change. They might be found drifting further and farther to the left!
 

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