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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 09:16 am
@wmwcjr,
Ya know, Bill, I tried really hard to join up with some animal rights and eco-terrorist groups. I figured if I got in tight with them, I could mooch offa them for a good long spell.

But I just got confused and could never pass the entry exams.

On the one hand, they tellya ya gotta save whales. Then they tellya ya gotta save baby seals. Then ya find out that whales eat baby seals. I just couldn't keep it all straight.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 09:36 am
Quote:
Mandatory detention was officially authorized by the federal government in 1996 with the enactment of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRAIRA). From 1996 to 1998, the number of immigrants in detention increased from 8,500 to 16,000 and by 2008 this number increased to more than 30,000...

According to the Global Detention Project, the United States possesses the largest immigration detention system in the world. Currently, ICE detains immigrants in fifteen detention centers (including privatized facilities), in state and local jails, in juvenile detention centers, and in shelters.

Several human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and a series of reports made by the New York Times have cited concerns with ICE’s management of these detention centers. Reports refer to instances of human rights abuse and inadequate or unprofessional medical care in these detention facilities. Such reports have also publicized the death of several immigrants in detention and have accused ICE of covering up this information.


Trump is gunna keep the damn trouble-making ACLU and Amnesty International clean out of it. From what I hear-tell, the number of detention centers is being increased from 15 to 15,000, but all the new locations will be kept top secret.
layman
 
  -3  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 09:51 am
They aint got no rights, so....

Quote:
While the United States Constitution provides convicted individuals with legal advice, free of charge if they cannot afford an attorney, immigrants are not guaranteed this right. Instead, they must pay for a lawyer, an option most detained immigrants cannot afford.

While ICE detention standards state that detainees are provided with access to law libraries, allotted a handbook discussing immigration detention, and given a presentation on their legal rights, these actions are often not carried out in practice.

Luiz Enrique Guzman while at the private Stewart Detention Center in Lumpkin, Georgia, stated, “the conditions [were] "terrible"…the center staff frequently violated his civil rights” and that “he was beaten while in detention and placed in segregation because he worked to organize detainees.”

The New York Times reported “recurrent complaints include[ing] frigid temperatures, mildew and meals that leave detainees hungry and willing to clean for $1 a day to pay for commissary food” at the Varick Federal Detention Facility in Manhattan. In addition, individuals in immigration detention centers are often placed in custody with violent offenders, even though undocumented immigration is a civil, not criminal, matter.


Good things aint something that a person who busts into this country illegally can, or should, expect, eh?

They asked for it.
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McGentrix
 
  2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:33 am
@layman,
You're conflating and making silly comparison's. Dressing like a boy is not the equivalent to killing people.

In what way would you, or anyone you knew, have any freedoms limited by a trans using the same bathroom as you? Are they really that threatening?

Do you have separate bathrooms at home for him and her? This is not the right class of people to be having an argument over.
McGentrix
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 10:37 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Sad! Just downright ******* sad.


I agree. You'd think they could put a nice casino down and stop living in the past.

How do you figure someone as completely brain dead as your articles make Trump out to be got to be President? I think you are as threatened by Trump as Layman is by Transsexuals. It's an irrational thing that you just can't grasp.
hightor
 
  3  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:05 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
How do you figure someone as completely brain dead as your articles make Trump out to be got to be President?

The short answer: $$$!

I don't think these articles really denote a state of being "brain dead". There's definitely some psychological processes going on so I think we can safely assume the man is conscious.

Look, the guy's father — probably a social climber — made sure Donny went to the right schools and gave him a real head start in the real estate business. He learned enough in management courses to participate in the wheeling dealing world of NYC real estate. His wealth insulated him from the sorts of struggles that self-made businessmen experience. The trappings of luxury fed his sense of narcissism (I hate to sound like an armchair shrink but his statements and tweets reek of self-importance and unrestrained ego.) He emerged as a celebrity in the "me decade" when the average citizen was salivating over the "lifestyles of the rich and famous". When he became a reality TV star he cemented the bond between himself and a vast swath of the electorate. And as long as he never deviates from the persona he has crafted and sold he can be assured of support. But don't kid yourself — his background has done nothing to prepare him for his current role and his performance demonstrates as much. Maybe, just maybe, he'll improve. But I wouldn't hold my breath — his ego doesn't facilitate that sort of reflection and the sycophants around him aren't likely to risk their status by telling him the truth.
oralloy
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:11 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:
Do you have separate bathrooms at home for him and her?

Usually a home bathroom is occupied by only one person at a time. Not so with public bathrooms.

I'm not taking a side on this issue. Just nit-picking your point.

Although.... One way to solve this conflict would be to make all public bathrooms unisex single occupancy.

(Note to crazed feminists: Better let urinals be included, or I'll be peeing on the toilet seats.)
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McGentrix
 
  0  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:13 am
@hightor,
I don't buy it. Money can buy a lot of stuff, but not the presidency.

Also, actual dumb people can't hold onto money or create several successful businesses. You guys keep making Trump out to be some bumbling clod when in reality you just disagree with his politics. Isn't that enough for you?

The left, every day, talks about Trumps tweets, his hair, his family, his whatever of the moment. How about just talking about what he is doing that you disagree with? Is it that hard to put into words that you have to continually badmouth his physical appearance?

Or, is that all you guys have on the guy?
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:13 am
@hightor,
He has reenforced his narcissism by plastering his name on everything.
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giujohn
 
  0  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:17 am
@blatham,
blatham wrote:

Obviously, the Trump "Just Lie About Everything" mode is fully institutionalized.

Sarah Maslin Nir ‏@SarahMaslinNir 18h18 hours ago
In the Trump store inside Trump Towers, sales woman told me "It's all made in America." Actually none is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fTfQNXAAERs6i.jpg



Fake news...The box is made in China.
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revelette1
 
  2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:20 am
At the risk of offending; I think he appealed to outer fringes of the biker mentality and has managed (or in the process of) normalizing it. We lost the swing states so lost the election. Might not happened if we had someone not so hated by enough people to lose. But then how to explain all the other losses by democrats? I know what some would say, maybe, they were right.
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:23 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Ya know, Bill, I tried really hard to join up with some animal rights and eco-terrorist groups. I figured if I got in tight with them, I could mooch offa them for a good long spell.

But I just got confused and could never pass the entry exams.

On the one hand, they tellya ya gotta save whales. Then they tellya ya gotta save baby seals. Then ya find out that whales eat baby seals. I just couldn't keep it all straight.


Holy ****...You are too funny...I mean it...We need to get you a radio show...I would laugh my ******* ass off! Keep em coming.
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revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:24 am
Quote:
Stephen Miller’s claim that 72 from banned countries were implicated in ‘terroristic activity’

“First of all, 72 individuals, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, have been implicated in terroristic activity in the United States who hail from those seven nations, point one.”
— White House senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, interview on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Feb. 12, 2017

“We know there’s at least several dozen, perhaps many more than that, cases of terrorism from these countries that have happened in the United States in terms of terroristic plots, terroristic activity, material support for terrorism, supporting terrorism overseas, all different kinds of terroristic activity that’s been interdicted in the United States tracing back to these seven countries.”
— Miller, ABC’s “This Week,” Feb. 12


Miller earned Four Pinocchios for repeating debunked claims about voter fraud on the Sunday shows. But he made other problematic claims as well. In defending President Trump’s executive order on immigration, he said on the Sunday shows that dozens of people “have been implicated in terroristic activity,” including providing material support for terrorism.

Miller claimed this, despite a ruling by a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit that “the Government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States.” What is Miller talking about?

The Facts


source
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giujohn
 
  -1  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:25 am
@layman,
layman wrote:

Quote:
Mandatory detention was officially authorized by the federal government in 1996 with the enactment of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRAIRA). From 1996 to 1998, the number of immigrants in detention increased from 8,500 to 16,000 and by 2008 this number increased to more than 30,000...


According to the Global Detention Project, the United States possesses the largest immigration detention system in the world. Currently, ICE detains immigrants in fifteen detention centers (including privatized facilities), in state and local jails, in juvenile detention centers, and in shelters.

Several human rights organizations, including Amnesty International and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), and a series of reports made by the New York Times have cited concerns with ICE’s management of these detention centers. Reports refer to instances of human rights abuse and inadequate or unprofessional medical care in these detention facilities. Such reports have also publicized the death of several immigrants in detention and have accused ICE of covering up this information.


Trump is gunna keep the damn trouble-making ACLU and Amnesty International clean out of it. From what I hear-tell, the number of detention centers is being increased from 15 to 15,000, but all the new locations will be kept top secret.


Uh oh...I think I saw a guy from FEMA buying up all the tents at the ElPaso Walmart.
layman
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:42 am
@McGentrix,
Gent, ya aint answerin the questions, eh?

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-449#post-6362842

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-451#post-6362931

I'm kinda surprised that you're so quick to buy into the PC garbage, actually.
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layman
 
  -2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:54 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Uh oh...I think I saw a guy from FEMA buying up all the tents at the ElPaso Walmart.


Yeah, they'll soon be working on the wall 20 hours a day for $1/day, eh? They'll stack em 4-high in a one-man pup tent and let them sleep a little, so they'll be fresh for the next shift, of course.
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hightor
 
  4  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:56 am
@McGentrix,
Quote:
I don't buy it. Money can buy a lot of stuff, but not the presidency.

I agree. He didn't "buy" the presidency. It was given to him because the combination of wealth, celebrity, and ego struck many people as the qualifications of leadership. And running against Clinton didn't hurt.
Quote:
You guys keep making Trump out to be some bumbling clod ...

As Finn has pointed out, much of this is a matter of style. But if you think that's all anyone is criticizing you just haven't been reading very carefully. I've stated, more than once, that the biggest problem with the temporary travel ban wasn't that the decision was made — it was that the order was carried out hurriedly and in the midst of confusion. Ineptitude, pure and simple.
Quote:
Also, actual dumb people can't hold onto money or create several successful businesses.

Again, I never said he was "dumb", just that the kind of smarts required to be a real estate tycoon aren't necessarily applicable to the presidency. Also, actual dumb — and actual smart — people can't hold onto money and can declare bankruptcy several times in the course of their career.
Quote:
The left, every day, talks about Trumps tweets, his hair, his family, his whatever of the moment.

For christ's sake, this thread is specifically concerned with the observation of Mr. Trump and the people he surrounds himself with. It's all grist for the mill. If you don't like it, how about just talking about what he is doing that you agree with instead of acting hurt and getting defensive — or is that all you have on the guy — that he's being picked on by lefties!
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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 11:57 am
@blatham,
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/09/inside-renaissance-era-rome-s-gay-marriage.html

Interesting article, relative to Porters's assertions.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:04 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Another poll from the DNC controlled and owned polling group, why am I not surprised.
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ossobucotemp
 
  2  
Mon 13 Feb, 2017 12:09 pm
@blatham,
Do you happen to remember Russell's editor's name? (Sometimes editors are interesting..)
 

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