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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 09:54 am
I want to recommend that folks attend with some regularity to Steve Benen's work. I don't think there's anyone who does a better job, day to day, of close reading and analysis of Trump's statements. For example...
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On Friday afternoon, Donald Trump tried again to defend his highly controversial policy in Syria, telling reporters, “We’ve taken control of the oil in the Middle East, the oil that we’re talking about; the oil that everybody was worried about. We have – the U.S. has control of that.”

The comments sparked a series of questions, since no one seemed to know what the president was talking about. My guess was that Trump might’ve been referring to U.S. troops being deployed to Saudi Arabia, where local oil facilities were recently attacked, but I had no idea whether the guess was correct.

Apparently, Trump had a different country’s oil in mind. He published a tweet yesterday that read:

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Mark Esperanto, Secretary of Defense, “The ceasefire is holding up very nicely. There are some minor skirmishes that have ended quickly. New areas being resettled with the Kurds.” USA soldiers are not in combat or ceasefire zones. We have secured the Oil. Bringing soldiers home!


The president eventually deleted this, probably because his Defense secretary’s name is Mark Esper, not Mark Esperanto. But that wasn’t the only problem with the missive.

For one thing, the quote Trump attributed to the Pentagon chief appears to have been made up. No one heard Esper say anything like this to anyone, and a Washington Post reporter added that administration officials were “confused” by the president’s tweet.

For another, the assertions Trump tweeted appear to be completely wrong. The “ceasefire” hasn’t stopped the violence; the “skirmishes” haven’t ended; the Kurds still have nowhere to go; U.S. troops are not out of harm’s way; and American servicemen and women are not on their way “home.”

But as important as these falsehoods were, note that Trump again echoed the point he emphasized on Friday, tweeting, “We have secured the Oil.” (In the deleted tweet, the president asserted this on his own; in a subsequent tweet, he attributed this directly to Esper, despite the fact that there’s no evidence of the Pentagon secretary making the claim.)

So, what’s he talking about?

NBC News reported this morning that some U.S. troops are “still present” in northern Syria “to ensure oil fields do not fall into the hands of the Islamic State group or other militants.”

This certainly helps explain Trump’s confusing rhetoric, though it’s not much of a defense of his overall policy. For example, the president keeps telling Americans that he’s bringing troops home from Syria, which is plainly false, especially if some U.S. troops are “still present” in northern Syria to secure oil fields.

What’s more, it’s a reminder that Trump is willing to support a troop deployment for oil, but not for our Kurdish allies.
Benen
blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 09:58 am
Filling The Swamp notes from all over
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In a GOP-led Senate, Brouillette’s confirmation is a safe bet, and when he arrives in the White House cabinet, he’ll be one of several members with backgrounds in corporate lobbying. Indeed, Brouillette was a top lobbyist for Ford, and his nomination comes on the heels of Trump tapping Mark Esper, a former lobbyist for a leading defense contractor, to serve as the secretary of Defense.

That nomination came just one month after the president traveled to Orlando to officially launch his re-election campaign, boasting to supports, “We stared down the unholy alliance of lobbyists and donors and special interests, who made a living bleeding our country dry. That’s what we’ve done.”

As regular readers know, it’s not at all what Trump and his team have done. In fact, at the next cabinet meeting, Brouillette and Esper will be joined by Interior Secretary David Bernhardt who lobbied for the energy industry, and EPA Administrator Andrew Wheeler, who also lobbied for the energy industry.

There’s also HHS Secretary Alex Azar who helped oversee the lobbying efforts for a giant pharmaceutical company.

And that’s just at the cabinet level...
Benen
hightor
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 09:59 am
@blatham,
"Esperanto" means "hope"...in Esperanto.
blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:11 am
@hightor,
If Trump was to learn that - and if Trump was a more curious man - he'd possibly ask what the word for Esperanto is in Esperanto.
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revelette3
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:13 am
@blatham,
In my opinion, Trump drained the swamp with honest folks and is filling it up again with his own swampy people.
revelette3
 
  1  
Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:15 am
@blatham,
I saw on the news morning, the Kurdish people were holding signs to the US troops leaving for them not to leave them to be slaughtered. But he has secured the oil, that is main thing.
revelette3
 
  1  
Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:24 am
Just because it has been mentioned on this thread numerous times as a comparison:

Clinton cleared
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blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:25 am
@revelette3,
Yes. Benen notes some important aspects of that, Perry and his predecessors being a perfect example.
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revelette3
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:32 am
US Supreme Court overturns ruling in Michigan gerrymandering case: What it means

I know republicans are happy, but I hope all those who felt justified in not voting for Clinton in the inane name of "not voting for the greater good" feel happy about that ruling. They caused it.
snood
 
  1  
Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:49 am
@blatham,
Definitely attention. Policing still remains to be seen.
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blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 10:51 am
You will not read anything today with more relevance to the health of American democracy than this from Greg Sargent

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Want Trump removed? New data shows Fox News is a huge obstacle.

As the impeachment inquiry marches forward, President Trump is closely watching the Republicans in Congress, particularly in the Senate, who constitute his last line of defense against removal.

In that regard, Trump has a very powerful ally: Fox News.

Trump pulled the plug on his corrupt scheme to host the Group of Seven summit at his Doral resort after getting informed that some moderate Republicans — the ones he needs to keep in line on impeachment — didn’t want to defend it, amid indications that it would become part of the case for impeachment. He also witnessed some Fox News personalities disapproving of it.

That’s when Trump concluded the jig was up on Doral, the New York Times reports. Trump issued two tweets nixing the plan, but took a break between them to watch Jeanine Pirro on Fox — another indicator of how closely he’s monitoring the network as he assesses the holding power of his defensive ramparts.

A new study just out from the Public Religion Research Institute sheds light on this dynamic in a remarkable way: It shows that rank-and-file Republicans who watch Fox are far more loyal to Trump than those who do not.

The poll, which surveyed more than 2,000 Americans, finds that an astonishing 55 percent of Republicans who watch Fox News as their primary news source say there is almost nothing Trump could do to lose their approval. By contrast, only 29 percent of Republicans who don’t cite Fox as their primary source say this.

What’s more, 98 percent of Fox-citing Republicans oppose impeaching and removing Trump — opposition that’s “essentially unanimous,” as PRRI puts it. By contrast, 90 percent of non-Fox-citing Republicans oppose impeaching and removing him — which is overwhelmingly high, but suggests that among this group, at least, Trump could suffer losses on the margins as the inquiry turns up worse revelations.

And here’s another real doozy: In response to my inquiry, PRRI tells me that 71 percent of Fox-citing Republicans strongly approve of Trump, while only 39 percent of non-Fox-citing Republicans strongly approve of him.

“The numbers show that Republicans who watch Fox News tend to be much more pro-Trump,” Natalie Jackson, the research director for PRRI, told me. “Fox seems to be a powerful vehicle for Trump support.”

Of Republicans overall, 44 percent say Fox is their primary source — meaning we’re talking about a very large chunk of the GOP base. “What Fox is putting out there is really impacting Republicans’ opinions,” Jackson said.

On impeachment, Fox News figures have put out nonstop disinformation. They regularly claim the inquiry is invalid absent a full House vote (which is baseless); that Trump did nothing wrong in the Ukraine scandal (he pressured a foreign leader to help him rig our election by investigating potential opponent Joe Biden); that the whistleblower has been discredited (his complaint perfectly captured what Trump actually did); and that Biden did the same or worse (which is based on a fabricated narrative).

The Fox effect

It’s difficult to say whether Republicans watch Fox because they’re already in lockstep with Trump, or whether they’re inclined that way because of what Fox tells them. But these things seem to reinforce one another — and that may prove a significant factor in keeping GOP lawmakers in line behind him.

“His core constituency seems to be these Fox-watching Republicans,” Jackson told me, adding that such strong numbers among those voters mean that “Republicans in Congress are going to be less likely to turn against Trump.”

Of course, some GOP lawmakers will remain behind Trump because they actively approve of his efforts in this matter. But this is probably related to the Fox effect as well. Trump has adopted the unabashed posture that demanding the sham investigation of Biden is the affirmatively correct thing to do under the circumstances, and some GOP lawmakers are with him on this.

Fox is pushing similar messages — Trump is absolutely within his authority to call for an investigation of Biden, the truly corrupt figure in this situation; Trump is the real victim here (of the “deep state”). This hermetically sealed-off version of reality has created a space in which Republicans are backing Trump because he’s only done right.
This isn’t the 1970s anymore

There’s an additional perversity here that could have a major impact on how all of this unfolds.

A debate is stirring over whether the only plausible way to get the Senate to remove Trump after the House impeaches is through massive popular mobilization, a case originally made by Brian Beutler. The idea is that things are vastly different than in Richard Nixon’s day.

Back then, the two-party system was less rigid, and the far-less-fractured media environment was dominated by a few major networks. The prospect of party defections driven by principled reactions to empirically determined misconduct was more realistic. As David Leonhardt notes, “the elite institutions that helped bring down Richard Nixon” are “weaker today.”

But what makes this worse is that, even as our institutions are weaker, there is simultaneously an institution of sorts lined up forcefully behind Trump — Fox News — which is carrying out a self-assigned institutional role with reasonable success. Historians have noted that Nixon had nothing like it at his disposal. This both underscores the case for a popular mobilization and suggests how overwhelming it would need to be to move the required 20 GOP senators.

Nobody understands this better than Trump, who has aggressively attacked Fox when it occasionally strays from that role. But on impeachment, Fox has largely stuck to it, and it’s hard to see that changing. These new numbers suggest it’s having a real impact, and could even help Trump survive.


There is another aspect to this that we ought not to lose sight of. Because Fox is now so absolutely vital to Trump and to the GOP, by corollary that tells us how much power Rupert Murdoch now has over American politics and life.

As Greg notes, there is a growing chorus on the left:
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A debate is stirring over whether the only plausible way to get the Senate to remove Trump after the House impeaches is through massive popular mobilization, a case originally made by Brian Beutler.
I think this is probably right.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 11:07 am
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US troops have been bombarded with potatoes by civilians angry at their pullout from the Kurdish-majority city of Qamishli in north-east Syria.

Residents pelted armoured vehicles as troops left in line with Donald Trump's surprise decision to withdraw US forces from the area. The president's move is seen as having cleared the way for Turkish and pro-Turkish forces to launch an offensive against Kurdish fighters in Syria which they regard as terrorists.


Click on link for video.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-middle-east-50124309/syria-civilians-pelt-us-army-vehicles-with-potatoes-in-qamishli
coldjoint
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 11:33 am
@izzythepush,
Anyone hurt, besides the potatoes?
MontereyJack
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 11:43 am
@coldjoint,
Yeah. Our countrys reputation worldwide. Thanks donny.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 11:57 am
@MontereyJack,
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Yeah. Our countrys reputation worldwide. Thanks donny.

Our reputation is as good as our economy and military power can make it. Believe me the rest of the world knows how to pull the strings that send the easily persuaded into a tailspin of guilt. Wise up.
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revelette3
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 12:50 pm
@izzythepush,
Sad

I would wish they put the blame on Trump, not the troops.
BillW
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 01:17 pm
@revelette3,
I would like to remind everyone that tRump said years ago the US should take over the Iraq oil fields and use the oil to pay back the US for our efforts to liberate them.
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Real Music
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 01:46 pm
Mick Mulvaney's bad week just got worse.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mick-mulvaneys-bad-week-just-got-worse/ar-AAJ4PM9?ocid=UE13DHP
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blatham
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 01:48 pm
Don't have time to cut/past this but do read it. Lots of good data.

What’s Tulsi Gabbard Up To? The Fight With Clinton Is Just A Piece Of It - TPM
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 21 Oct, 2019 02:21 pm
@revelette3,
They could try putting the blame on their religion and the intolerant culture it has created. A little too introspective for Islam.
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