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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 12:36 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
He said he was through because the thread was useless, much like him. As far as you questioning what I post, it makes no difference, read it or don't read it. Anything else?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 12:46 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
I'd recommend Essence O Workboots.
Well, that's really full of traditional values and perhaps God's preferred drink.
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 8 May, 2019 12:47 pm
Quote:
In 2011, Donald Trump agreed (for a hefty fee) to be roasted by Comedy Central, with one stipulationfor the show. The comedians participating could joke about just about anything, including his hair, his racism and even the idea that he lusted after his own daughter.

There were two related topics, however, that Trump forbade them to joke about. They could not needle him for his business bankruptcies, or for being less wealthy than he claimed.

I couldn’t help but think about that story as I read the latest revelation about President Trump’s finances from the New York Times, based on printouts from official IRS documents it obtained from the 1980s and 1990s. The new documents provide yet more evidence of the true nature of Trump’s con, one he has sustained for an entire career:
Quote:
The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

Over all, Mr. Trump lost so much money that he was able to avoid paying income taxes for eight of the 10 years.

The documents cover only the broad picture of Trump’s income and losses in those years, not the details. But they demonstrate once again why it is so critical that the public obtain his full tax returns for more recent years. As Trump fights like a cornered mongoose to keep those returns secret, these documents offer hints about what exactly he’s trying to conceal.

As I’ve often said, if Trump’s tax returns showed only that he is a successful and shrewd businessman, he’d have plastered them on a billboard in Times Square. He is hiding something; the only question is how bad it is.

There are two explanations for what Trump is trying to conceal. The first is that there are scandalous or even criminal activities that he has engaged in — partnerships with shady characters, cases of money laundering — and the returns would point the way to discover them.

To understand why, you have to remember that the Trump Organization is not an ordinary corporation in the way you might think of it. In fact, it is an amalgam of approximately 500 separate partnerships and pass-through companies (which is why Trump almost certainly reaped millions of dollars in tax benefits from the 2017 tax law, which included a 20 percent deduction for pass-throughs). If we had Trump’s returns, each of those arrangements could be investigated, and no one who has reported on Trump’s business activities would say there aren’t shocking things to discover.

The second explanation for Trump’s determination not to allow the returns to become public is in some ways more innocent: that as so many have speculated, he’s not nearly as rich as he always says. Is it possible that Trump’s motives are only the most petty, shallow and vain ones? After all, we’re talking about Donald Trump.

Of course, both things could be true. Trump’s returns could show him to be less wealthy than he says, and also reveal instances of scandalous or criminal behavior. If I had to hazard a guess I’d say that’s what’s most likely. But let’s look at how Trump himself reacted to this story:

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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Real estate developers in the 1980’s & 1990’s, more than 30 years ago, were entitled to massive write offs and depreciation which would, if one was actively building, show losses and tax losses in almost all cases. Much was non monetary. Sometimes considered “tax shelter,” ......

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
....you would get it by building, or even buying. You always wanted to show losses for tax purposes....almost all real estate developers did - and often re-negotiate with banks, it was sport. Additionally, the very old information put out is a highly inaccurate Fake News hit job!
3:56 AM - May 8, 2019

This is a bizarre defense. Trump seems to be claiming that it was shrewd for him to lose hundreds of millions of dollars, because he was doing it to avoid paying his taxes. The next time you see taxes deducted from your paycheck to pay for everything from the military to farm subsidies to health care for children, you might recall that he says of his own successful efforts to avoid paying taxes, “it was sport.”

Even here, however, there may be evidence that Trump did more than simply exploit loopholes in the tax code. As Steve Rosenthal of the Tax Policy Center points out, Trump was taking enormous tax deductions on losses of other people’s money. But when the loans he couldn’t pay back were restructured or forgiven, he would have had to declare those funds he was no longer responsible for paying as income, and pay taxes on it.

Did he? We don’t know. We do know, however, that Trump believes paying taxes makes you a sucker. When Hillary Clinton suggested that he wasn’t paying any taxes, he responded, “That makes me smart.”

We also know from an extensively documented New York Times investigation that Trump, his father, and his siblings executed a scheme to defraud the government of hundreds of millions of dollars in tax revenue in the 1990s.

Trump’s own personal greed and his sense that the rules don’t apply to him have never been in question. But why would he be so threatened by people learning that he isn’t as wealthy as he claims? Part of it is ego, of course; he plainly equates money with one’s value as a human being. But it’s also because he built his career on the belief that if he could convince people he’s impossibly rich, he’d become impossibly rich and remain so.

That’s what Trump has always sold, whether it was to the people he conned out of their life savings with Trump University or to the voters. I am hugely wealthy and hugely successful, and if you associate yourself with me you will reap the reflected rewards.

And if Trump isn’t so wealthy after all, what is he? A small-time grifter, a business failure, a gossip-pages lech, a reality-show buffoon.

That’s what he’s hiding, for sure. And maybe much more.
https://wapo.st/2H8Mwij
blatham
 
  1  
Wed 8 May, 2019 12:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I knew you'd understand, being a foreigner like myself.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 12:52 pm
@blatham,
Quote:
And if Trump isn’t so wealthy after all, what is he? A small-time grifter, a business failure, a gossip-pages lech, a reality-show buffoon.

That became president and has had you and others shitting all over yourselves and lying out of your asses for the past three years. What does that say about you and the others who have been unable to outsmart him yet? If ever.
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 01:15 pm
Quote:
DoJ fires back: Contempt vote on Barr will result in full executive-privilege claim on Mueller report; Update: Contempt vote proceeds, White House claims privilege; Collins: We waited 450 days for Holder, not 43

Looks like Barr does not rattle.
Quote:
The Justice Department told lawmakers that it would recommend President Trump assert executive privilege to the full Mueller report and supporting documents as the House Judiciary Committee planned to move ahead with plans to hold Attorney General William Barr in contempt of Congress, deepening a constitutional clash between the Trump administration and congressional Democrats.

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/05/08/doj-fires-back-contempt-vote-barr-will-result-full-executive-privilege-claim-mueller-report/
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coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 01:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
Well, that's really full of traditional values and perhaps God's preferred drink.

There is a drink called humility. You both should give it a try.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:29 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
You hate freedom.

No. Actually I'm pretty fond of it.


izzythepush wrote:
You want to ban the Democrat party. That's because you hate freedom.

No. It's because they abuse the law to persecute innocent people.

Note that "Democrat Party" is a pejorative term that some conservatives use in place of "Democratic Party".

Not that I'm objecting to your use of the term or anything, but I'm not sure if you knew.


izzythepush wrote:
You like licking the arse of the rich man.

Nonsense. And gross.


izzythepush wrote:
You're about as far from free as you can get.

No. I still have the right to carry guns.


izzythepush wrote:
Lickspittles are never free.

What's a lickspittle?


izzythepush wrote:
You can't even think for yourself.

Actually that's something that I do all the time.

It's a different poster here who always points to other people's thoughts whenever he wants to say something.


izzythepush wrote:
Only a complete moron equates freedom with guns.

Humanity has accorded free people the right to carry guns for the past 2600 years.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:31 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
OK how about the hypocrisy of someone who supports America's child murdering system of gun control trying to take the moral high ground over someone who doesn't.

Our system of gun control hardly murders anyone.


izzythepush wrote:
If you really cared about Americans murdering children you'd want to do something about it.

How do you know what her position on guns even is? She has not said that she is either for or against gun control so far as I've seen. The only thing that I've seen her say is that she's not much interested in talking about the subject.


izzythepush wrote:
At least Oralloy is honest when he says he doesn't care about the lives of children.

It's not like the gun control issue is even about saving lives in any case.

It's really about deranged leftists trying to violate people's civil liberties for fun.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:33 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Offer "thoughts and prayers" first. It's a magic spell: even the crassiest things you'll say after that will all be fine and mellow.

No one's getting anymore thoughts or prayers from my quarter.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:36 pm
@neptuneblue,
neptuneblue wrote:
Somehow you've got it in your craw to argue with me about gun control.
Why? To show "how much I really care"?

If you don't want to talk about gun control, send them my way when they insist on talking about it.

I'm always game for an argument about gun control. Very Happy
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:38 pm
@izzythepush,
izzythepush wrote:
Anyone who is against gun control supports the murder of children.

Com on. That's just silly.

Gun control doesn't even have anything to do with saving lives (children or otherwise).


izzythepush wrote:
I can understand why you feel the need to lie to yourself and pretend you have no culpability whatsoever, but don't try that bullshit on me.

I've seen no evidence that she has any culpability for anything.
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RABEL222
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:51 pm
I knew about Trump years before he was a t v celebrity. He, is, was,and has always been one of the most crooked bastards on god earth. Him and his daddy screwed the u s citizens out of hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. That's ok you say? Well just who do you think made up the shortcome. You through congress and the republican tax schemes.
oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:53 pm
@blatham,
blatham wrote:
Young kids who go off to school and they are violently extinguished. All so that weapons manufacturers can line their pockets and so that Republicans can work up paranoids for electoral reasons. It is long, long past time for Americans to stop facilitating such evil.

Nonsense. Massacres are not related to either gun manufacturers or to votes.

There is nothing paranoid about treating a legitimate threat to our liberty as a legitimate threat to our liberty.
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oralloy
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 03:54 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
when has the creator of a thread on A2K leave her/his own thread?

Blatham pledged to abandon this thread in this post:
http://able2know.org/topic/355218-3323#post-6798791
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Baldimo
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 04:13 pm
@RABEL222,
You didn't know **** about Trump before he ran for office. He was a friend and contributor to the DNC for years before he ran for President. Look through old pictures and you will see all of the famous lefties from hollywood straight through to politicians all shaking his hand and giving him awards for his service to the city of New York. Run against the DNC and all of that is forgotten in a heart beat. It goes to show the frauds the leftists in the US are.
BillRM
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 05:43 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

You didn't know **** about Trump before he ran for office. He was a friend and contributor to the DNC for years before he ran for President. Look through old pictures and you will see all of the famous lefties from hollywood straight through to politicians all shaking his hand and giving him awards for his service to the city of New York. Run against the DNC and all of that is forgotten in a heart beat. It goes to show the frauds the leftists in the US are.


The word fraud an Trump does seem to go together if not in the manner you are stating.
coldjoint
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 06:09 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
The word fraud an Trump does seem to go together if not in the manner you are stating.

Like lies and the MSM?
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blatham
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 06:20 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
I knew about Trump years before he was a t v celebrity. He, is, was,and has always been one of the most crooked bastards on god earth.
When my ex and I first moved to Manhattan, we took a double decker tour bus so I could be somewhat familiarized. There was one chap down below driving and another up top doing narration. He said two very knowledgeable things:
1) "driving in New York is all about intimidation"
2) (as we passed Trump Tower) "Everybody in NY hates this guy"
blatham
 
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Wed 8 May, 2019 06:22 pm
I see that the House has formally found Barr contemptible.
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