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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:45 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2053#post-6590850

“Actually, it was a demonstration supporting the NHS.”

That nonesense.

Your necks are so stiff against a very simple truth because it lends a little credence to something Trump said.

Fighting so ridiculously against clear facts make your actual points weaker.


Exactly. You're absolutely right. This is NOT a celebration their great health care system. It is a widespead bitch about how badly it's "working." Only a cheese-eater could even try to spin it as a celebration rather than a straight-up protest.

Commies are always demanding more free ****, i.e., that more of YOUR money be given to THEM, for what they want (for free). Aint nuthin new. Just another commie-ass protest. They're a dime a dozen.
maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:49 am
@Lash,
Could you lay out the benefits that you think a UHC system would have in America and why the tax increases that would be required to pay for it would be worth it?

Maybe you could respond to some of the obvious rebuttals and concerns the right-wing of America would have against such a policy.

Really, I'm wondering if you can have any sort of deeper discussion supporting the progressive causes you pretend to champion. I understand that this may take more thought as these issues require more thinking that you have tended to provide on A2K.



You don't need to convince me that UHC is a good cause to support. You need to convince your buddies Laymen, Finn, Georgeob1, and orally.

Give it a shot.
layman
 
  -4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:00 pm
I got a homey who has a chump for a landlord who includes his utilities as part of the rent.

If I ever feel the slightest chill on a cold-ass winter day, I just head to his crib, because I know it's gunna be like a burning hell there. Same in the summer, if I'm hot. His place always be cold, I know.

He also has medicaid--he, his wife, and their 14 kids all go to the doctor about once a week, on average. He sho nuff knows how to get his "money's worth," ya know?
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maporsche
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:00 pm
https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/open_letter.png
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:03 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Exactly. This is NOT a celebration their great health care system.
It was exactly against the NHS driven down by the Conservatives and the fear of privatisation.
That's why it was/is called "A coalition to defend our NHS". That why they demand "Save it Now".

And that's why even May rejects Trump’s claim that pro-NHS marches showed universal healthcare did not work.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:14 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Trump couldn’t be more wrong in his tweet on Britain’s health care protests
Quote:
[...]
Bernie Sanders’ single-payer bill, “Medicare for All“, was a much-touted track toward reaching universal health care, but it’s hardly the only option on the table. Founding Executive Director of Families USA Ron Pollack suggested various alternatives to the status quo that inch closer to universality, like expanding Medicaid and extending coverage to more immigrants. Other Democrat lawmakers have also introduced their own bills. The objective for each of these proposals is to get more of the 28.1 million people without insurance covered for the sake of their health and financial well being.

Moreover, while conservatives continue push back against universal health care, support is growing. The majority agrees that it’s the government’s responsibility to ensure health care for all. The question is how?
[...]
While many conservative outlets were quick to use Britain as an example for why a single-payer system is doomed to fail, they failed to examine the reason for the shortcomings. Austerity measures introduced by conservatives in 2010 as a response to financial turmoil have only increased under successive governments. Those policies have underfunded the NHS, making it increasingly hard for the organization to handle waves of patients. The cold and flu season has also hit the U.K. especially hard this season.

As such thousands took to the streets to demand more funding for the program, a point that was made by Opposition leader Jeremy Corbyn of the Labour Party on Twitter:
[Jeremy Corbyn
@jeremycorbyn
Wrong. People were marching because we love our NHS and hate what the Tories are doing to it. Healthcare is a human right. [/i]

[...]
The big picture is that Trump is among very few people who are suggesting that Britain should give up on a fundamental principle that health care access should not be contingent on income or geography.
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layman
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:17 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Quote:
...as a response to financial turmoil...


Sezzit all, right there, eh, Walt?
maporsche
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:18 pm
@maporsche,
Thoughtful discussion. Apparently the equivalent of mosquito repellent on Lash.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:20 pm
@layman,
layman wrote:
Sezzit all, right there, eh, Walt?
Yes, a result of 'politic' of the Conservative Party government
maporsche
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:22 pm
@Lash,
In a few more posts, you'll get to this.
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2057#post-6590974

I'm hopeful you can spell out your thoughts a bit more thoughtfully on this subject.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Here’s what Americans need to know about the UK’s health system
Quote:
Even the UK health secretary, Jeremy Hunt – the target of many of the marchers’ ire, for presiding over NHS underfunding – rose to defend the NHS against Trump’s attack, in rare public criticism of the US president from a serving cabinet minister. “I may disagree with claims made on that march, but not ONE of them wants to live in a system where 28m people have no cover,” he tweeted. “NHS may have challenges but I’m proud to be from the country that invented universal coverage – where all get care no matter the size of their bank balance”.
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izzythepush
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:28 pm
@Lash,
You're the one who is bullshitting. You are lying about the motivations of the marchers. They were protesting about underfunding, you deliberately misrepresented what they were saying.

Quote:
No, it was not in support of the NHS.


This is a lie, and it's not even your lie, it's Trump's lie. It's a lie told by people who are happy enough to let poor people, poor children, die from preventable diseases so they can pay less tax. It's a lie told by pharmaceutical giants who want to shove their opiods down people's throats instead of giving them the operations they need.

Over here we value children's lives over the profits of pharmaceutical companies, (and gun manufacturers for that matter.) Why don't you? Why would you rather parrot Trump's lies than argue for a decent system?

Btw, I'm not glad that my father is in hospital. I would much rather he was back home.
Lash
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:32 pm
@izzythepush,
I hadn’t heard Trump say anything about the protest. I was responding to Walter and posters here attempting to reframe the protest.

It’s ridiculous.

I’m parroting the protesters.
layman
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:32 pm
@layman,
Quote:
England, Wales and Northern Ireland
For every £2 earned above £100,000, £1 of the personal allowance is lost. This means for incomes between £100,001 and £123,000 the marginal income tax rate is 60%.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#England,_Wales_and_Northern_Ireland

Commie: I got a bad cold and I want to see a doctor every day until I'm over it. Why in the **** should ANY bastard get to keep a whopping 40% of his income when I'm suffering like this!? Raise the tax rate to 90%, and NHS will work just fine, see?
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maporsche
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:38 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I hadn’t heard Trump say anything about the protest. I was responding to Walter and posters here attempting to reframe the protest.


You replied to Walter's post, which included what Trump said.

God, you're ridiculous.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x-JLy-Js20s/hqdefault.jpg
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Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:54 pm
@maporsche,
You’re so desperate! Poor guy!

I did not read what Trump said, but assume he said the protest was evidence that socialized medicine doesn’t work. I’m guessing.

I DID, however, read Walter saying it was a protest in support of NHS, and that was a bridge too far.

Let’s see how you spin that!

You guys really should get work with CNN.
ehBeth
 
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Mon 5 Feb, 2018 12:56 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/in-an-arizona-primary-republicans-debate-who-is-more-loyal-to-one-man-trump/2018/02/02/52d93e9a-069c-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html

Quote:
The battle to replace Trent Franks, who resigned last year after urging a female staff member to become a surrogate mother for his child, has turned less on any traditional conservative issue than on who would best defend the president and enact his agenda.

Republican primaries, which once demanded that candidates please a constellation of interest groups and answer every conservative questionnaire, have increasingly become about the agenda of one man. Trump critics inside the GOP, such as Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.), Gov. John Kasich (R-Ohio), and Mitt Romney, hold outsized roles in the national political debate. But the candidates bidding for Republican votes can’t praise Trump enough.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/the-new-republican-model-strong-defenders-of-president-trump/2018/02/01/0541bef2-0753-11e8-b48c-b07fea957bd5_story.html

Quote:
It’s a far from perfect bond. Neither Pence, who spoke here Wednesday night, nor Trump took questions from their supposed allies. Some Republicans say those successes came only when Trump deferred to GOP lawmakers on the tax legislation — as opposed to during the failed ACA repeal, when he thought he could threaten them into supporting his position.

“I think he’s still getting a sense of how Congress works and how politics works. I think that he came in believing that he could force or bully with much greater effect than he, I think, proved able to do,” said Rep. Mark Sanford (S.C.), a staunch conservative who has regularly criticized Trump’s demeanor.

Sanford noted that more than 30 House Republicans have now decided to retire, run for another office or outright resign amid controversy — hardly a resounding vote of confidence in the Trump administration.

“I think that people are trying to get their arms around what he means to them,” Sanford said. “In some cases, he means, ‘I’m out of here.’ ”



as the Republicans head further for the fringes
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