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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
maporsche
 
  4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 10:58 am
@Lash,
Do you think that when/if the USA ever gets Universal Healthcare (I say "if" because of the number of people in our country who thinks that not voting or worse, voting for Jill Stein is helpful in ANY way), that the program will be fantastic for all time and never need improving or never deserving a protest once in a while?

The healthcare system is working in over there. It's not perfect, but no one wants to get rid of it. That should tell you something.


What would you replace their system with Lash, you fake-progressive? Real progressives would take their "broken" system over our current system 7 days a week and twice on Sunday's.
revelette1
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 10:59 am
@ehBeth,
Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I don't think I was around then, or else I didn't join that discussion.

In any event, the following was funny.

Quote:
if the accused witch dies when submerged in the lake it proves her innocence, however, she is dead

dyslexia


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layman
 
  -1  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:09 am
Quite predictable, sho nuff:

Quote:
College Students Oppose Obama Remarks When Told They're From Trump

Campus Reform's Cabot Phillips talked to students at New York City's John Jay College, reading them quotes from Trump's address. What the students didn't know was that the lines were actually taken from some of former President Barack Obama's addresses.

The students were given quotes (from Obama) about going after ISIS and countering China on trade. Most were opposed to the ideas when they thought they were coming from Trump. "They were quite shocked [when told the quotes were from Obama]," he explained, recalling one student even threatened to beat him up.

Phillips said it appears many students are just "committed" to being against Trump no matter what. He said students face consequences on liberal-leaning campuses if they support Trump, including socially, in the classroom and even through violence.


This trick works every time they play it. Take something Obama said, attribute it to Trump or some other conservative, and the cheese-eaters will go wild denouncing it [Obama's statement]. Bill Maher did the same thing to some of his liberal guests a while back.

"..."committed" to being against Trump no matter what." Trying to think--where else have I seen this phenomenon? Somehow, it seems kinda familiar, ya know?

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Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:16 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Responding to your nonsense.
maporsche
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:18 am
@Lash,
What would you replace their system with Lash, you fake-progressive? Real progressives would take their "broken" system over our current system 7 days a week and twice on Sunday's.
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ehBeth
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:18 am
https://www.splcenter.org/20180205/alt-right-killing-people

Quote:
The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) counted over 100 people killed or injured by alleged perpetrators influenced by the so-called "alt-right" — a movement that continues to access the mainstream and reach young recruits.


Quote:
The “alternative right” was coined in part by white nationalist leader Richard Bertrand Spencer in 2008, but the movement as it’s known today can largely be traced back to 2012 and 2013 when two major events occurred: the killing of the black teenager Trayvon Martin and the so-called Gamergate controversy where female game developers and journalists were systematically threatened with rape and death. Both were formative moments for a young generation of far-right activists raised on the internet and who found community on chaotic forums like 4chan and Reddit where the classic tenets of white nationalism — most notably the belief that white identity is under attack by multiculturalism and political correctness — flourish under dizzying layers of toxic irony.

Significantly, Gamergate also launched the career of Milo Yiannopolous who later used his perch at Breitbart News to whitewash the movement and push it further into the mainstream (former senior adviser to President Donald Trump and Breitbart executive editor Stephen Bannon infamously called the site “the platform for the alt-right.”).

Today, the audience available to alt-right propaganda remains “phenomenally larger” than that available to ISIS-type recruiters, according to MoonshotCVE, a London-based group that counters online radicalization. This accessibility makes it easy for gradual indoctrination, particularly on social media platforms where tech companies long ignored the warning signs that their platforms were contributing to the radicalization of far-right extremists. That so much violence has taken on the shades of a specific subculture like the alt-right so quickly shows just how critical these wide-open platforms have been to the growth of the movement.

But the dark engine of the movement is reactionary white male resentment. Alt-right propaganda is designed to nourish the precise grievances recited by the disillusioned and indignant young men that dominate its ranks. It provides a coherent—but malicious—worldview. For a recruit, the alt-right helps explain why they don’t have the jobs or the sexual partners or the overall societal and cultural respect that they believe (and are told) to be rightfully theirs. This appeal is resonating at a moment in the United States when economic inequality is worsening and a majority-minority United States is forecasted for 2044—developments exploited by racist propagandists. As a writer on Spencer’s AltRight.com wrote this past December:

And all of modern society seems to offer literally nothing to young White men. It’s as if society doesn’t want them to tune in, show up and have a stake in the future of that institution.

As a result, new institutions step up to pick up the slack.

PUA [Pick Up Artists] meet-ups help them learn the skills to get girls. In the place of a gentleman’s club, or underground boxing ring, or boy scouts-type activity, the Alt-Right has stepped up to give camaraderie and a sense of purpose. The internet gives them their entertainment and a place to intellectually grow.

As all the old institutions die, new ones rise to meet the demand and fill the vacuum. Till the perks come back, young White men are going to keep tuning out of society, cast adrift by previous generations that just don’t give a damn.

The lucky ones will wash up on our shores. The unlucky ones…well
.


must be just horrible to be white and a man
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Lash
 
  -3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:20 am
@maporsche,
When people die, they die.

At the end of the day, they don’t care which system killed them.

Currently, the NHS and the US system are not serving their populations. Funny that you’re unable to handle me making that point.

You’re so wrapped up in bullshit and fear.

maporsche
 
  4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:25 am
@Lash,
Haha. Gosh, you're such a useful tool. Not useful to me, mind you. I've got no use for you. But for whomever is so able to direct you and people like you to follow/push whatever they want.

You were a useful tool when Bush was president, you're a useful tool now when supporting Trump too.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:26 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Responding to your nonsense.
Why do you call the actions by Health Campaigns Together and People’s Assembly nonsense?
Lash
 
  -3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:28 am
@maporsche,
I’m a tool of independent thinking. You’re afraid to say the same thing the protesters are saying.

You’re probably pissed at them for protesting.

maporsche
 
  2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:31 am
@Lash,
You're a broken useless tool who fancies themselves a beautiful hammer.

You can't even convince anyone one this tiny board to follow you. You're completely and utterly feckless and have no ability to change anything or effect the world beyond wasting some of our time on this website.

Enough about you though.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x-JLy-Js20s/hqdefault.jpg
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izzythepush
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:31 am
@Lash,
My father is currently in hospital and the treatment he's receiving is first class.

The doctors and nurses are doing a wonderful job and they do not deserve to be smeared by you. Your lies are disgusting, especially as you got so upset about some evil fascist being supposedly slutshamed while insulting our health workers.

There's never any marches about the state of the NHS when Labour are in power, because they fund it adequately.

izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:33 am
@blatham,
People would be less upset by that than what he's said.

We're rather ambivalent about the queen, but we love the NHS.
izzythepush
 
  1  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:34 am
@Lash,
Then why are you lying?
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Lash
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:34 am
@Walter Hinteler,
https://able2know.org/topic/355218-2053#post-6590850

“Actually, it was a demonstration supporting the NHS.”

That nonesense.

Your necks are so stiff against a very simple truth because it lends a little credence to something Trump said.

Fighting so ridiculously against clear facts make your actual points weaker.

layman
 
  -2  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:36 am
@blatham,
No ****, indeed;

blatham wrote:

2018's front runner for the No ****, Sherlock! award
Quote:
...a certain form of partisanship is now a moral necessity...the best hope [is to]...vote mindlessly and mechanically against Republicans at every opportunity.
Atlantic


I'm not agreeing with the sanctimonious claims about what is a "moral necessity," or with what the "best hope" is, but this is a very accurate description of cheese-eater thinking and action, sho nuff.
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maporsche
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:37 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

because it lends a little credence to something Trump said.


And THAT's why you're here taking the view that you are. You'd be so much more effective if you were less obvious.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x-JLy-Js20s/hqdefault.jpg

ehBeth
 
  4  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:38 am
Quote:
Sam Levine‏Verified account
@srl


Breaking news: The Supreme Court DENIED a request for a stay in PA partisan gerrymandering case. GOP lawmakers wanted court to let them hold off on redrawing map before 2018, Court said no.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:42 am
@Lash,
https://i.imgur.com/7El5gUO.jpg

A lot of more reports and photos at the link above.

I might get some private photos, too.
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Lash
 
  -3  
Mon 5 Feb, 2018 11:43 am
@izzythepush,
Very glad for your personal situation.

I think the protesters have a right to speak out because of their experiences, and when someone here wants to reframe a protest as a support rally, I’ll call bullshit.

Additionally, props for attempting to reframe my comments as if they were against healthcare workers. You’d fit right in as a journalist in my country.

All the lovely argumentation fallacies among you people. What are you afraid of?
 

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