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Real Music
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 03:20 am
Trump's First Cabinet Meeting Turns Into An 'Amazing' Butt-Kissing Session



Everyone on the planet knows that Trump truly hates many groups of people, especially good people.

Everyone on the planet knows that Trump gets off on dividing groups of people, especially good people.

And yes, we all know that Trump really loves and adores anyone who kisses his ass.
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Lash
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 05:05 am
@Lash,
Meanwhile, someone who knows agrees Trump may have brought about the tenderizing of North Korea.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1EZ09W?__twitter_impression=true

However, I think stating this publicly was a bad idea. Little Rocketman can read.
hightor
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 05:57 am
@Lash,
I heard the news of Moon's comments this morning and remembered that just yesterday analysts were predicting that he would have to find some way of mollifying Trump after having opened up an independent dialog with the north with no preconditions. He's making this statement to avoid alienating the US. NK didn't offer to stop testing — in fact, the US and SK agreed not to hold their annual war games until after the Olympics. I don't see any "tenderizing" of North Korea, which, having demonstrated its nuclear prowess to the world, now feels it can negotiate from a position of strength. Nor have I seen any evidence that Trump has affected the political situation in Iran, which hardly resembles a popular uprising for democracy and freedom as the regime's enemies have tried to portray it.
izzythepush
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 06:05 am
@hightor,
There was a S Korean professor on Radio 4 this morning. He said the real winners were the N Koreans. They have sorted their security out, they've got a nuclear weapon and a means to deliver it to America. Now they've got that they don't need to pursue nuclear technology anyway near as much and can focus on improving the economy.

As everything is already tested they'll quite happily agree to no further tests.

What was really shocking was the report on C4 news last night of a N Korean soldier who defected. He was shot while escaping. When the S Korean surgeons operated on him they removed 60 parasitic worms from his gut, some were huge. This is a snap shot of the health of the nation. These parasitic infections are quite cheap to treat, and if a member of an elite military group is so infected then what the ordinary peasants are suffering doesn't bear thinking of.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 06:07 am
Quote:
What the world thinks of Trump's first year as US president
Donald Trump's first year in the White House has been followed closely around the world. We asked people on the streets of seven cities what they made of it.


Click on link for video.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-42626890/what-the-world-thinks-of-trump-s-first-year-as-us-president
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Lash
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 06:35 am
@hightor,
TRump’s refusal to continue sending millions (per more bribery) to Iran threw Iran into a financial tailspin that sparked the protests.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/trump-obama-iran-nuclear-deal-322288

blatham
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:01 am
@hightor,
Quote:
"tenderizing" of North Korea

Quote:
Trump has affected the political situation in Iran,


These are, as you know, right wing media talking points. Lash's purpose here, as elsewhere, is to forward a defense of Trump/GOP while pretending she's not.
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nimh
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:02 am
@Lash,
Or so Trump claims, anyhow.

In reality, likely unrelated: the millions that were being made again when some sanctions were lifted and assets unfrozen didn't flow down to regular people anyhow (trickle-down economics doesn't work in Iran either); and mass protests have erupted in Iran every decade (1999, 2009, 2018, as well as more localized rebellions in eg 1992, 1994).

There's a tendency among Americans, and Westerners in general -- both those who cheer on the US and those who revile it -- to reduce everything that happens in the world to American influence (which, for sure, wrecks havoc enough); but just as often the main explanations can be found elsewhere.

The Iranian protests hardly emerged in isolation, after all: people have been rising up against authoritarian, corrupt regimes in countries across the region for a good few years. Now here, now there ... that will keep happening as long as authoritarian and corrupt regimes fail to provide either freedom or material well-being to the people. If one contends that Iran's protests can only be explained by US government's efforts to (re)instate sanctions, how do you explain for example the mass protests in Egypt, which was amply supplied with US funds? The real underlying causes are local, and they will keep triggering revolts in countries led by US allies and enemies alike.
layman
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:10 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Nor have I seen any evidence that Trump has affected the political situation in Iran

Aint no blind perv seen nuthin, eh? So what?

Quote:
which hardly resembles a popular uprising for democracy and freedom as the regime's enemies have tried to portray it.


Been readin a lot of Al Jareeza, as always, eh? Enlighten us...what DOES it "resemble?"

You've just made it very clear that you are NOT one of the "regime's enemies." I guess that makes you one of their homeys, eh?
layman
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:19 am
@layman,
It's quite predictable. Cheese-eaters will invariably support, apologize for, and tout the "superiority" of N. Korea, Iran, Libya, Joe Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, or any other county/person who opposes, and vows to destroy, the USA.

What's that tellya?
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hightor
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:19 am
@layman,
Quote:
...what DOES it "resemble?"

It looks like people airing their grievances over the price of food and other basic commodities. Which, I might add, people have been doing since before there even were "democracies". Or, put succinctly:
nimh wrote:
If one contends that Iran's protests can only be explained by US government's efforts to (re)instate sanctions, how do you explain for example the mass protests in Egypt, which was amply supplied with US funds? The real underlying causes are local, and they will keep triggering revolts in countries led by US allies and enemies alike.
blatham
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:23 am
Quote:
Democrats, frustrated by conservative attempts to undercut the investigation into Trump’s ties to Moscow and growing convinced that Republicans aren’t taking electoral security seriously, are increasingly tired of waiting on their colleagues in the majority to act and are taking their concerns public.

“We must counter Russia’s well-established election interference playbook,” Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) said in a floor speech billed as puncturing “partisan efforts to deflect attention and distract from critical inquiries” into Moscow’s attempts to upend the 2016 election.

“Russia will hack. Russia will bully. Russia will propagandize,” he said.

Politico

There are so many ways in which the modern GOP is corrupt but this Russia/election interference is probably the most obvious. For that reason alone (though there's another obvious reason) I hope the Dems keep it front and center.
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layman
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:23 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
...what DOES it "resemble?"

It looks like people airing their grievances over the price of food and other basic commodities.


Hahahahaha. The price of food, eh?

Hahahahahaha. That's why they're chanting "Death to the Dictator," eh? They want to lower the price of potato chips by 20%, eh?
hightor
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:25 am
@Lash,
Um, the article merely reports on the White House claims. It doesn't verify them.
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blatham
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:29 am
@nimh,
Quote:
tendency...to reduce everything that happens in the world to American influence
This is a very interesting phenomenon and one usually much more evident to non-Americans. And, of course, notions/delusions of American exceptionalism sit at the core of this worldview.
hightor
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:37 am
@layman,
Quote:
They want to lower the price of potato chips by 20%, eh?

Not exactly.
Quote:
The initial catalyst for the anger appears to have been the leak by President Rouhani last month of a proposed government budget. For the first time, secret parts of the budget, including details of the country’s religious institutes, were exposed.

Iranians discovered that billions of dollars were going to hard-line organizations, the military, the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, and religious foundations that enrich the clerical elite. At the same time, the budget proposed to end cash subsidies for millions of citizens, increase fuel prices and privatize public schools.

(...)

While the protests that swept Iran in 2009 were led by the urban middle class, these protests have been largely driven by disaffected young people in rural areas, towns and small cities who have seized an opening to vent their frustrations with a political elite they say has hijacked the economy to serve its own interests.

NYT
Shouting "Death to the dictator" hardly makes this a democratic revolution inspired by Donald Trump.
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izzythepush
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:44 am
@blatham,
America has had some role to play in the events in Iran. The Trump administration has done its best to stymie Iran's reformist president. Trump does not want a rapprochement with a progressive forward looking Iran, he wants to keep the hardliners in power, that way arms sales to oppressive regimes like Saudi Arabia can be justified. If people are frightened their rulers can get away with so much more, look at Bush's attack on democratic process post 9/11.

Trump wants to do the same with bells on which is why he's covertly supporting the mullahs in Iran.
layman
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:47 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Shouting "Death to the dictator" hardly makes this a democratic revolution inspired by Donald Trump.


What the **** does Trump have to do with this? Do you even know what you are trying to argue?
hightor
 
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Wed 10 Jan, 2018 07:50 am
@layman,
Quote:
What the **** does Trump have to do with this?

Very little. That's the point.
 

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