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monitoring Trump and relevant contemporary events

 
 
blatham
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:31 am
@izzythepush,
I remain unswept.
blatham
 
  4  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:35 am
@hightor,
Quote:
Say, anyone notice the absence of Kushner news these days?
There has been some reporting that Trump is pissed at Kushner for advices that haven't worked out well. As always, such reports may or may not be actually true. It could simply be that Jared is spending so much time with lawyers and hard-drive disposal services that he can't get to that other stuff.
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:37 am
This sounds like a really excellent idea.
Quote:
Talks are underway to arrange a second meeting between President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and President Trump on the sidelines of an Asian economic summit meeting next week in Vietnam, the Kremlin said on Friday.
NYT
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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:48 am
Winner of today's Best Headline award (Ruth Marcus, NYT)
Quote:
Our criminal justice system is not a ‘joke.’ Yet.
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izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:57 am
@blatham,
I must admit it was the first I'd heard of it too. He still makes more sense than Trump though.
snood
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 05:59 am
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

Quote:
If anyone thinks China is a superior country to the US (or Canada) then they should put a sock in it and move to Shanghai.

Boy, haven't heard that old chestnut for quite a while, only it was always "Why don't you move to Russia?" back then.

Yeah, right — move to a country where you don't know the language and would stick out ethnically like a sore thumb. Sounds like a great idea.


"Go back to Africa" was another top 40 hit.
reasoning logic
 
  2  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 06:07 am
Thank you Hillary.

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blatham
 
  2  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 06:11 am
@izzythepush,
Well, at least the man isn't lying.
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maporsche
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 07:08 am
@snood,
Don’t you know that anytime you don’t like something your country is doing you’re supposed to pack up all your belongings and loved ones, say good bye to your family, friends, and culture. And move thousands of miles away.

People are supposed to keep doing that every single time they don’t like what the country they live in is doing.

That’s what all the Tea Party people did, as an example. That what Finn did during the Obama years, he just got back home in February.
BillW
 
  3  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 07:36 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Don’t you know that anytime you don’t like something your country is doing you’re supposed to pack up all your belongings and loved ones, say good bye to your family, friends, and culture. And move thousands of miles away.

People are supposed to keep doing that every single time they don’t like what the country they live in is doing.

That’s what all the Tea Party people did, as an example. That what Finn did during the Obama years, he just got back home in February.


I have an ex friend who did that to me. To him I wasn't a "real" American! His family has been in America for 3 generations, virtually every one of my family lines stretch back to the early 17 to middle 1600's in America. So I say, "where do I go?". Go figure!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 07:49 am
Let's see... The GOP cuts taxes, turns around and slashes social spending to pay for it. Who benefits from this?

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/04/trumps-tax-cut-is-a-big-payday-for-his-family-heirs-stand-to-save-600-million/

Cycloptichorn
BillW
 
  3  
Sat 4 Nov, 2017 08:09 am
@Cycloptichorn,
This is a direct result of the SCOTUS Citizen's United decision. As known at the time "We The People" lose!
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revelette1
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 10:30 am
Trump Campaign Adviser Met With Russian Officials in 2016 (NYT)

Quote:
WASHINGTON — Carter Page, a foreign policy adviser to the Trump presidential campaign, met Russian government officials during a July 2016 trip he took to Moscow, according to testimony he gave on Thursday to the House Intelligence Committee.

Shortly after the trip, Mr. Page sent an email to at least one Trump campaign aide describing insights he had after conversations with government officials, legislators and business executives during his time in Moscow, according to one person familiar with the contents of the message.
The email was read aloud during the closed-door testimony.

The new details of the trip present a different picture than the account Mr. Page has given during numerous appearances in the news media in recent months and are yet another example of a Trump adviser meeting with Russians officials during the 2016 campaign. In multiple interviews with The New York Times, he had either denied meeting with any Russian government officials during the July 2016 visit or sidestepped the question, saying he met with “mostly scholars.”

Mr. Page confirmed the meetings in an interview on Friday evening, but played down their significance.

“I had a very brief hello to a couple of people. That was it,” he said. He said one of the people he met was a “senior person,” but would not confirm the person’s identity.

He confirmed that an email he had written to the campaign after that trip to Moscow was presented to him during Thursday’s appearance before the House Intelligence Committee.

Mr. Page acknowledged his meeting with Russian government officials during sharp questioning by Representative Adam B. Schiff of California, the top Democrat on the committee, according to a congressional official familiar with the exchange.

During another part of the testimony, Mr. Page was questioned about a trip to Budapest, although it was not immediately clear why. Mr. Page told The Times earlier this year that he had taken that trip around Labor Day weekend last year, but he said he had not met with any Russians.

“It was a short four-day trip over a long holiday weekend at the end of the summer,” Mr. Page said at the time. “I had a nice trip up the Danube, to the Visegrad castle, did a lot of sightseeing and went to a jazz club. Not much to report.”

Court records unsealed on Monday revealed that another campaign adviser, George Papadopoulos, met in 2016 with Russians who said they had connections to the government and was told about “dirt” regarding Hillary Clinton in the form of “thousands of emails.” The court records were released by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russian attempts to disrupt the presidential election last year and whether any of President Trump’s associates helped in that effort.

Mr. Page was questioned by the F.B.I. earlier this year and has also appeared before the grand jury as part of the special counsel’s inquiry.

The House Intelligence Committee is one of three congressional investigations that are also examining these issues.

Mr. Page’s trip to Moscow in July 2016 was never a secret, and during the trip, he gave a speech at a graduation ceremony at the New Economic School, a university there. But the trip was one of the triggers of a counterintelligence investigation begun by the F.B.I. later that month.

In his talk at the university, Mr. Page criticized American policy toward Russia in terms that echoed the position of President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia. “Washington and other Western capitals have impeded potential progress through their often hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change,” Mr. Page said.

His remarks accorded with Mr. Trump’s positive view of the Russian president, which had prompted speculation about what Mr. Trump saw in Mr. Putin — more commonly denounced in the United States as a ruthless, anti-Western autocrat.

Mr. Page left the Trump campaign not long after the trip, and since then, Mr. Trump’s advisers tried to distance the campaign from Mr. Page.

During another trip to Moscow, in December 2016, after Mr. Page had left the Trump campaign, he said he planned to meet with “business leaders and thought leaders.” At the time, a Kremlin spokesman said that no government officials planned to meet Mr. Page and that the Kremlin had never had any contact with him.

“We have learned about this from the press,” the spokesman, Dmitri S. Peskov, told the news agency Interfax.

A former Navy officer and Annapolis graduate, Mr. Page was unknown in Washington foreign policy circles when Mr. Trump announced him as a member of his team of advisers in March 2016.

Mr. Page lived in Moscow from 2004 to 2007 while working as a junior investment banker for Merrill Lynch.

Mr. Page subsequently started his own investment firm, Global Energy Capital, and teamed up on some deals with a Russian businessman, Sergey Yatsenko. Mr. Yatsenko had been deputy chief financial officer for the Russian energy giant Gazprom, which is majority-owned by the government and has close ties to Mr. Putin.

Mr. Page was wrapped up — but not charged — in an F.B.I. investigation in 2013 that targeted people suspected of being Russian intelligence officers in New York. One of the of three men who was later charged with being an unregistered agent of a foreign power had met Mr. Page at an energy symposium, and was recorded describing him as having dreams of lucrative deals.

Mr. Page had said he did not know the man was an intelligence officer.
In a video of a December 2016 speech he gave in Moscow, Mr. Page told the audience that he had met with an executive of Rosneft, another major Russian energy company. He said that person was a “friend.”

His time on the Trump campaign was short, but he has described the experience as particularly meaningful.

“The half year I spent on the Trump campaign meant more to me than the five years I spent in the Navy,” he said in an interview earlier this year.

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blatham
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 11:09 am
@maporsche,
Quote:
People are supposed to keep doing that every single time they don’t like what the country they live in is doing.

That’s what all the Tea Party people did, as an example. That what Finn did during the Obama years, he just got back home in February.
Yes, that's so. I was there to greet him. There were hugs and tears and the moon was swimming naked.

But there's a way in which that otherwise idiotic love-it-or-leave-it cliche does make sense. It seems pretty much inarguable that if the dispensationalist End Times crowd are lifted up to Jesus, we'll all be far better off down here.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 12:56 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:
There is indeed a statute forbidding collusion to commit an illegal act. In the case of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia to obtain dirt on Hillary, 52 U.S. Code § 30121 forbids foreign nationals from donating money or anything of value to a Federal, state or local election.

That is a statute forbidding gifts and campaign contributions, not a prohibition against collusion.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:07 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Boy, haven't heard that old chestnut for quite a while, only it was always "Why don't you move to Russia?" back then.

It's a good response when someone starts proclaiming that evil dictatorships are morally superior to western democracy.


hightor wrote:
Yeah, right — move to a country where you don't know the language and would stick out ethnically like a sore thumb. Sounds like a great idea.

Immigrants who favor freedom endure such things when they come to the US. It seems reasonable that someone who yearns to be crushed under the thumb of an evil dictator would be willing to endure the same in order to achieve their dreams.
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snood
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:16 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:

The specific definition of "rigged" in this context is critical.

Do you know of any threads where people are addressing this Donna Brazille thing?
oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:16 pm
@hightor,
hightor wrote:
Can We Please Stop Talking About "Collusion"?
NYT

The thing is, if the Democrats stop accusing the President of imaginary crimes, they will have nothing to accuse him of.
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oralloy
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:19 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:
Do you know of any threads where people are addressing this Donna Brazille thing?

I've been thinking of bringing it up in this thread, but so far I haven't mustered the will to learn about what happened.
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hightor
 
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Sat 4 Nov, 2017 01:41 pm
@snood,
Quote:
Do you know of any threads where people are addressing this Donna Brazille thing?


The usual cast of characters on edgarblythe's thread:
https://able2know.org/topic/404158-18#post-6533472

Here's the thing that bugs me — to say the vote was "rigged" suggests that the results were somehow manipulated. I haven't seen any evidence that backs this up. Many Democratic voters were unhappy with the choices they had, but held their noses and voted for Clinton, not really believing that a 75 year old professed "socialist" could win in the general election.

Any chicanery within the corrupt DNC is a separate problem and doesn't qualify as "rigging" an election since the majority of Democrats seemed to favor the Clinton candidacy. Remember, this was before Comey and Wikileaks became prominent issues.

Clinton Campaign Had Additional Signed Agreement With DNC In 2015

from the above link:

Quote:
Sanders and his supporters have long alleged that the DNC tipped the scales in the 2016 primary. A frequent piece of evidence cited for this was the decision to hold debates on weekends when viewership would be lower.


Wow. Right out of Hitler and Putin's playbook.
 

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