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@oralloy,

oralloy wrote:

layman wrote:
Shock and awe, it ROCKED, eh, Rog!?

It was an interesting plan, but they never actually did it. They leaked the plan to the media so that Saddam would focus his defenses against that sort of attack, but the actual war started with a quick attempt to hit Saddam with a few bombs followed by a rapid overland tank advance.

Not sure what "plan" you're referring to. To me, the shock and awe campaign consisted of the initial wide-spread air strikes designed primarily to eliminate communications between the command centers in Baghdad and troops in the field (as well as between commanders). It worked:

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A former Oklahoma attorney general who built his career suing the E.P.A., and whose LinkedIn profile still describes him as “a leading advocate against the EPA’s activist agenda,” Mr. Pruitt has made it clear that he sees his mission to be dismantling the agency’s policies — and even portions of the institution itself.

But as he works to roll back regulations, close offices and eliminate staff at the agency charged with protecting the nation’s environment and public health, Mr. Pruitt is taking extraordinary measures to conceal his actions, according to interviews with more than 20 current and former agency employees.

Together with a small group of political appointees, many with backgrounds, like his, in Oklahoma politics, and with advice from industry lobbyists, Mr. Pruitt has taken aim at an agency whose policies have been developed and enforced by thousands of the E.P.A.’s career scientists and policy experts, many of whom work in the same building.

NYT Pruitt is working for petroleum interests. That's why he's in this post. That he is moving with stealth to achieve the goals of those corporate interests ought not to surprise, of course.

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The close relationship between Scott Pruitt, the new administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, and fossil fuel interests including the billionaire Koch brothers has been highlighted in more than 7,500 emails and other records released by the Oklahoma attorney general’s office on Wednesday.

The documents show that Pruitt, while Oklahoma attorney general, acted in close concert with oil and gas companies to challenge environmental regulations, even putting his letterhead to a complaint filed by one firm, Devon Energy. This practice was first revealed in 2014, but it now appears that it occurred more than once.

The emails also show that American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, an oil and gas lobby group, provided Pruitt’s office with template language to oppose ozone limits and the renewable fuel standard program in 2013. AFPM encouraged Oklahoma to challenge the rules, noting: “This argument is more credible coming from a state.” Later that year, Pruitt did file opposition to both of these regulations.

The letters also show the cosy relationship between Pruitt and the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), the influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses, and other lobby groups sponsored by the Koch brothers, the billionaire energy investors who have spent decades fighting against environmental regulation.

Guardian
If you wanted to live in a corporatocracy, congrats.

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http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/jared-kushner-calls-kim-jong-un-totally-unqualified-person-who-got-job-only-through-nepotism

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@layman,

Irony:

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Re: emmett grogan (Post 6482238)
emmett grogan wrote:

From RT, eh? SERIOUSLY .......

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Heh, typical and completely predictable lame-ass attempt by a cheese-eater to ignore the facts (message) and attack the messenger. A notorious logical fallacy they somehow think is relevant and convincing.

Well, it is, I guess, actually. It's relevant and convincing to all other cheese-eaters, mentally retarded imbeciles, and all others with no sense.

Btw, this is not "from" RT. It's from multiple experts and has been reported elsewhere, including sites already posted in this thread.

Try to keep up, willya, cheese-eater, and forget the ad homs, why doncha?

Why doncha? In that I didn't use any.

RT is a state organ of the Russian Government. And if YOU trust it, I trust it even less.

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@layman,

Russia Today Anchor Resigns, Admits To Spreading ‘Lies’ For Putin
By Catherine Taibi

http:www.glennbeck.com/2014/07/21/another-russia-today-anchor-resigns-citing-networks-total-disregard-of-facts/

Another Russia Today anchor has resigned from her post at the Kremlin-funded TV network.

Corespondent Sara Firth’s announcement came nearly two hours after she stated on Twitter that RT anchors “do work for Putin” and spread “lies,” in a conversation with RT London correspondent Polly Boiko. Firth alleged that the network asks its anchors to “obscure the truth,” and now she is saying she’s had enough.

Also before resigning, she took a hit at RT’s coverage of Ukraine:

Russia Today’s Liz Wahl also publicly criticized the network earlier this year. Wahl quit while on air, stating that she could not support a network that “whitewashes the actions of Putin” and asks her to “promote Russian foreign policy.” In March, RT anchor Abby Martin used her air time to speak out against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, boldly stating that “what Russia did is wrong.” The network did not fire her for speaking out, and Martin later told the AP, “I think that, honestly, it would look really bad if I got fired. I think they probably just weighed their options and just knew that keeping me on would be best.”

UPDATE (9:52): Firth spoke to Press Gazette about the moments that led to her decision to leave. She described what it was like at the network on Thursday after news broke of the Malaysian Airlines plane crash in Ukraine, suspected to have been shot down by pro-Russian separatists.

“Yesterday when the story broke you get the kick in your stomach when you’re going to get the facts and it’s this huge story,” she said. “And I walked into the newsroom and they were running an eye-witness account of God-knows who the person was blaming the Ukrainian government, and it is such a volatile situation.”

Firth said that if she was “asked to burn the facts and not tell the truth” then she would “be a goner.”

“And so I’m gone,” she said, adding, “it’s not a nice organisation either.”

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@izzythepush,

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Adam Hills pointed out American presidents like to use phrases like 'fire and fury' and 'shock and awe.' He reckoned it was because they only have two terms.

What happened when campaigns hire media and publicity experts from the entertainment and advertising industries. The tail begins to wag the dog.

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Memo by Former Aide Warns of Leftist Conspiracy Against Trump (NYT)

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WASHINGTON — A cabal of leftist “deep state” government workers, “globalists,” bankers, adherents to Islamic fundamentalism and establishment Republicans are conspiring to remove President Trump and impose cultural Marxism in the United States, according to a former White House aide whose darkly worded memo detailing the alleged conspiracy got him removed last month from the National Security Council.

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@izzythepush,

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Bush's lot never even thought of using alliteration.

That's because he had trouble putting two words together.

Nope, it was that ol' "nabob of negativism" himself, Spiro Agnew. Who went to prison after being forced to resign the vice Presidency.

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@revelette1,

I only wish that were true. Why didn't "they" trip up Trump??

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@layman,

layman wrote:

But why listen to experts, cheese-eaters, when you can have Emmett assure you that:

"I put an end to that nonsense, right quick, eh!? They can't cope with my irrefutable analysis, see?"

"Did you see what I did!? I asked "SERIOUSLY?" Just like that--in ALL CAPS! They're busted, I tellzya!"

Emmett completely missed the fact that a left-wing magazine, The Nation, reported extensively and in great detail on this, because as he believes Lash to be an operative for Vlady Putin(IE a Russian internet troll), he has her on Ignore, and didn't see her post. Of course he could have seen references to it in posts from those of us who commented upon it, but then he likely has all of us on Ignore too. Gotta preserve the contaminant free atmosphere of The Echo Chamber!

Maybe after he caught a glimpse of the faces and names of the RT anchor and reporter he dismissed out of hand what they had to say. It's shameful, but there's a lot of racism, bigotry and misogyny roiling around this forum.

It's no surprise that our friends on the left here have left emmett's derisive dismissal to serve as their collective response, but I did think there was a chance that maporche might take it on. Who knows? Maybe he's still doing his research.

You might even think that the conspicuous absence of any serious engagement on the matter indicated that a consensus to ignore the claims made in the Nation article had been reached through the A2K back channel, The PM Express, or that specific marching orders had been issued by the Progressive Prophet himself to all of his followers. In any case, the Resistance has, all along, been working to have any and all official investigations expand beyond "Russian Collusion" Considering their seemingly obsessive fixation with the topic one might think they would never let it go, but if, as it increasingly appears, they have concocted a sham they can't be certain will do the trick, they may have to. Not to worry though Trump-Haters. The Mueller investigation looks like the fishing expedition many of us feared it might be, and if so, it may find unrelated "criminal" activity by someone in the Trump campaign and administration that can be used as a foundation for impeachment proceedings. Democrats and the MSM will say "OK, there was no Russian interference. In typical Trump self-destruction fashion, the president kept making it look like he was hiding something, and guess what? HE WAS...just nothing about Russia. "

Of course no one in the MSM will ever ask "How was it possible that our intelligence agencies were all wrong about this? Can they be that incompetent or it possible that there has, all along, been a network of Deep State operatives, united in their opposition to Trump, and operating in virtually every department and agency of the federal government in a concerted effort to bring him down?"

I wonder if Emmett would find what amounts to a soft coup engineered by intelligence agencies, the MSM, and the Democrat Party, as "shameful" as he did Lash's reasonable guess that Seth Rich leaked the DNC email?

We'll probably never know, because Mr Grogan is not returning our calls.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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he has her on Ignore, and didn't see her post.

Bullshit. I don't even have you on ignore. You must have gotten your information from RT.

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Maybe he's still doing his research

Because you don't do any. maporche probably thinks this is just too goofy to respond to. I've done my research on RT, I posted a bit of it right here: https://able2know.org/topic/355218-1386

Its even from a right wing source. Glenn Beck.

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he Mueller investigation looks like the fishing expedition many of us feared it might be

A no knock search warrant is no fishing expedition. If you don't see any sort of suspicious behavior in so many members of Trumplestiltskin's administration having to amend and correct their records for their security clearances and that even his son-in-law and roving trouble shooter Jared still hasn't managed to obtain his, that Trump decided to announce no trans in the armed forces on the day of Monfort's interaction with the FBI, that Twitler himself needed to write Donny Jrs. account of the Russian meeting he held to dig dirt on Mrs Clinton, that nobody could forthrightly admit their own participation to or an even an accurate accounting of how many Russians were at that meeting ......... well, you shouldn't need a weatherman to see which way the wind is blowing, its coming from the swamp tRump has turned the White House into.

Now go ahead - bray out another one of your overblown outrage posts.

A tip: if you want any responses from me don't make me the subject of your post because it almost demands someone to respond in kind or waste time defending themselves from ad hominem.

Wheres there's smoke, there's fire and the smokes coming from the White House, not the organs of the Justice Department.

Why are you even worried, Drumph is going to pardon everyone anyway.

Your over blown crap is exactly why I don't respond to you.

Why I don't respond to Lash is "she" keeps changing her positions and how she represents "herself" politically and philosophically.

So I will keep reading your dismal crap and mine it for your gems of unintentional humor and overblown keening for the alt-right.

I've responded to you but I do NOT have any intention re-re-respond to your hysterical and hysterically funny re-response.

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State of Emergency Declared in Charlottesville After Protests Turn Violent
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=65689931&pgtype=article

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@wmwcjr,

Also - this thread: see the last page or two of the thread.
https://able2know.org/topic/344998-1

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@emmett grogan,

Hi Bobsal. Glad you made it back. But, I do have a bone to pick with you...

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@blatham,

Blatham, in a post above, quotes extensively from articles in the NYT and Guardian about EPA Administrator Pruitt's former activities as Attorney general for the State of Oklahoma, and separately as a private individual, to limit the bureaucratic reach of activist EPA officials to extend the reach of Federal Clean Water and Air legislation far beyond both the intent of the Congress when these laws were enacted and the specific terms of the legislation as it exists now. He goes on to cite his coordination with oil & gas companies and petrochemical producers, including those devils incarnate, the Koch Brothers (and the huge corporations they lead).

The fact is that all such activities are both legal and common among the various interest groups, both businesses and environmental activists, involved in these issues.Rivalries and disputes between the states and EPA concerning the application of environmental laws, the enforcement of which are, by design, both a state and Federal function, are also equally common and widespread. Pruitt was but one of many actors involved in both aspects of this process.

The EPA leadership is very focused on the preservation and expansion of its administrative/bureaucratic power, and on the abstract aspects of its environmental goals, but lacking in technical skills and the ability to successfully manage the many complex projects it undertakes. It needs more attention to the execution of its current activities and less to their expansion into areas beyond its public mandate.

The number of former environmental group activists who currently populate the EPA bureaucracy vastly exceeds those with real experience in the industries and industrial processes they regulate, so the odd occurrence of someone like Pruitt in a leadership role is no disaster - rather it is a dose of badly needed experience and realism, and he is already giving that agency a badly needed shaking up to get better measures of real progress in actually completing superfund cleanups (some have been going on with alarmingly little progress for decades, while other, more dangerous, sites wait decades for action) and in prioritizing the use of the agency's resources based on objective environmental criteria. I deal with several EPA Regional offices on a regular basis, overseeing the management of risk assessment and cleanup projects for them, and am well-acquainted with their abilities, weaknesses and ongoing practices. I believe Pruitt is on the right track to reform an agency badly in need of it.

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@emmett grogan,

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its coming from the swamp tRump has turned the White House into.

This an old, familiar poster with a new name. I don't remember his old name, and don't care to look to find out, but the juvenile "tRump," useage, which he thinks is very witty and clever, is his trademark. Maybe someone else remembers his old name(s).

I think it might be the commie who lost a bet to John--Bobby-boy--and had to abandon his screenname as a result.

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@layman,

Yes. Bobsal. Lost a bet.

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@ossobucotemp,

Thanks for telling me.

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@layman,

layman wrote:

I think it might be the commie who lost a bet to John--Bobby-boy--and had to abandon his screenname as a result.

I see that Lash knows. It's that lame-ass Bobby, sho nuff.

Typically, he "responded" to my post criticizing his "logic," by demonstrating that he doesn't even begin to understand the concept of an informal logical fallacy.

Still playin the fool, eh, Bobby?

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@revelette1,

revelette1 wrote:

Memo by Former Aide Warns of Leftist Conspiracy Against Trump (NYT)

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WASHINGTON — A cabal of leftist “deep state” government workers, “globalists,” bankers, adherents to Islamic fundamentalism and establishment Republicans are conspiring to remove President Trump and impose cultural Marxism in the United States, according to a former White House aide whose darkly worded memo detailing the alleged conspiracy got him removed last month from the National Security Council.

Interesting piece, which cites the Atlantic and Foreign Policy as sources. Thanks for linking it.

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The seven-page memo by Rich Higgins, who had been a director for strategic planning at the council, is a manifesto against multiculturalism and political correctness.

“This is not politics as usual but rather political warfare at an unprecedented level that is openly engaged in the direct targeting of a seated president through manipulation of the news cycle,” Mr. Higgins wrote in the memo, a copy of which was obtained by Foreign Policy and published on Thursday. “Recognizing in candidate Trump an existential threat to cultural Marxist memes that dominate the prevailing cultural narrative, those that benefit recognize the threat he poses and seek his destruction.”

Among those threatened by Mr. Trump is the “hard left,” Mr. Higgins wrote. He said it was “aligned with lslamist organizations,” including the Muslim Brotherhood and the Council on American-Islamic Relations; the American Civil Liberties Union and Black Lives Matter; and the United Nations.

In a video posted on Friday by the liberal-leaning group Right Wing Watch, Mr. Higgins is seen giving a talk in which he said administrations of both parties were to blame for the failure of the United States to curb terrorism.

“You’d sit in these meetings in the Bush administration, and the Muslim Brotherhood guys — they’d be in the meetings, at the table with you; in the Obama administration, they’re running the meetings,” Mr. Higgins said in the video, which appeared to have been recorded last year. “You don’t have to hate all Muslims — all right, I have Muslim friends — but you have to hate Islam.”

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His resignation was demanded by Maj. Gen. Ricky Waddell, the deputy national security adviser, after consulting with General McMaster, according to the two officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it.

The episode came to light during what appears to be General McMaster’s slow-rolling purge against hard-line aides on his staff who were close to Michael T. Flynn.

Last week, Mr. McMaster dismissed Ezra Cohen-Watnick, who ran the council’s intelligence division and whose ouster had been opposed by Mr. Bannon and Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser. Derek Harvey, the top Middle East adviser, and Tera Dahl, the deputy chief of staff.

Frank Gaffney Jr., the president of the Center for Security Policy and the architect of a public campaign to lobby for the general’s firing, has singled out Mr. Higgins, a former Department of Defense employee, as a cause célèbre and on Friday called his memo “required reading.”

“The document’s alarming depiction of a multidimensional campaign to take down the president of the United States, backed by rigorous analysis, makes clear that the man deserving termination is not Rich Higgins, but the general who punished him — and, thereby, tried to suppress his warning,” Mr. Gaffney said in a statement on Friday.

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