Are the presidential election results real? Or simply a simulation?

@oralloy,

"And even if he had, no Republican is going to be impeached after the Democrats placed Bill Clinton above the law."
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Oh boy, let's throw out the baby with the bathwater because other criminals have not received their full measure.

You make an excellent case for emptying the prisons en masse.

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@camlok,

What High Crimes and Misdemeanors has Trump committed at this point?

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Oh boy, let's throw out the baby with the bathwater because other criminals have not received their full measure.
You make an excellent case for emptying the prisons en masse.

The Democrats would love to have a system where they are always above the law and everyone else is held accountable.

Not going to happen.

And you're forgetting that Mr. Trump has not even committed any impeachable offense to begin with.

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@Baldimo,

"What High Crimes and Misdemeanors has Trump committed at this point?"

None at all. My comments didn't suggest he had.

But it must be noted that being a serial liar, a misogynist, a racist is looked upon as a good thing by some people.

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@oralloy,

Great diversionary tactics. The issue isn't that people want to impeach him, the issue is that he attracts that desire to do so solely due to his eminently repugnant policies.

"Support for impeaching Trump has crept up from 35% 2 weeks ago, to 40% last week, to its 46% standing this week."

I can't imagine that such a poll question has ever been asked this short into a new presidential term. That it has and that the results rise so meteorically speak volumes about what a crud this guy is.

But far be it from me to stop you from supporting a crud.

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@camlok,

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I can't imagine that such a poll question has ever been asked this short into a new presidential term. That it has and that the results rise so meteorically speak volumes about what a crud this guy is.

I can believe it, it was asked by a DNC owned polling firm who backed Clinton.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

Great diversionary tactics.

That facts are inconvenient to the Left doesn't make posting facts a diversionary tactic.

camlok wrote:

The issue isn't that people want to impeach him, the issue is that he attracts that desire to do so solely due to his eminently repugnant policies.

The issue is that whiners are throwing a tantrum. As issues go it's really pretty boring.

camlok wrote:

I can't imagine that such a poll question has ever been asked this short into a new presidential term. That it has and that the results rise so meteorically speak volumes about what a crud this guy is.

No. The tantrums of these whiners reflect only on themselves.

It is no reflection on Mr. Trump that a bunch of whiners are throwing a tantrum.

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@camlok,

camlok wrote:

But it must be noted that being a serial liar, a misogynist, a racist is looked upon as a good thing by some people.

Are the Democrats going to be screaming "racism and misogyny" for the next 20 years?

How tedious.

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@Baldimo,

Let's not waste each others time. Get the facts that illustrate your point and it'll all be settled.

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@oralloy,

Still unable to address the facts. At least we both agree that Trump is a serial liar.

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@camlok,

Which facts are those? That the PPP is a DNC owned company? That's a matter of public record. The fact that they are DNC controlled is enough to know they backed Clinton. Would a DNC controlled polling firm back any other candidate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Policy_Polling

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@Baldimo,

Thank you, that was helpful. It's disgraceful that political parties could even own polling firms. Are there Republican Party owned polling firms?

Does that mean that the results of the poll are skewed?

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@camlok,

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Thank you, that was helpful. It's disgraceful that political parties could even own polling firms.

I actually have no problem with it. They have been used for a very long time to get a candidate to ply their message and measure how it is received and Bill Clinton was the master of public opinion back in his day. Where things start to get interesting is when they stop using them to gauge public opinion and are instead used to influence public opinion. I honestly don't put a lot of faith in polls in most cases.

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Are there Republican Party owned polling firms?

I'm sure they exist, I just don't know of any.

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Does that mean that the results of the poll are skewed?

Depends on what you mean by skewed. They could have a targeted audience and that is who they poll, or they could be polling equally from each of the major political groups, 1/3 Dem, 1/3 GOP and 1/3 Independent. 712 people isn't that large of a # and I didn't see any mention of what spread the voters were. It looks like the info they supply says 80% via phone calls and 20% via web response.

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@Baldimo,

The number polled seems to be in line with major, aka well known polling names.

Targeted group polling is most assuredly unscientific.

If they were polling from people whose political persuasion was known to the pollster, that too would seem to be unscientific. I don't know if it is kosher to ask pollees their 'party' at any time during the contact period.

If they did do 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 as you have suggested, the results now look much worse for Trump by a factor that I'm not about to try and figure out.

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@camlok,

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The number polled seems to be in line with major, aka well known polling names.

Another reason why I don't take much stock in polls, I find it hard to gauge the opinion of 350 million people based on less than 1000 people.

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Targeted group polling is most assuredly unscientific.

Which is why it is used by politicians and political parties. I'm a cynic when it comes to the major parties and people in general.

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If they did do 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 as you have suggested, the results now look much worse for Trump by a factor that I'm not about to try and figure out.

Correct, but again I don't put much faith in polls.

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@Baldimo,

The survey/poll that we are presently discussing seems, and note I only said seems, to be supported by other polls, as described in the following article.

It is my position, and I hope I'm not alone in this, that a poll that was seriously out of wack would be subjected to major criticism from many sides, not just from die hard fans of either side.

Notice that the metric is about impeaching Trump, not just whether people support Trump or not. That, in and of itself, is shocking when he is only 3 weeks in.

Has this ever in US history occurred before?

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Americans split down the middle on impeaching Trump: National poll

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The survey's approval/disapproval findings echoed those of recent Gallup and Quinnipiac University polls: 43 percent of those surveyed approving the job that Trump is doing, while 53 percent give thumbs down to the job performance of the 45th president.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/politics/article/Americans-are-evenly-split-on-impeaching-Trump-10923947.php?cmpid=twittersocialflow

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@camlok,

Disapproval does not equal impeachment. What it shows is the lack of understanding in some circles of what it takes to impeach a president. If people understood that, then the answer to impeachment would be 100% no, Trump has committed no High Crimes or Misdemeanors at this point in his presidential term that would warrant impeachment.

I disliked Obama's stances on many things, but I didn't want him impeached and I would have answered in the negative if asked on a poll.

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@Baldimo,

I understand impeachment and I didn't once suggest that it was warranted. I didn't realize that you took this so seriously. The polls are a measure of people's feelings on Trump. I doubt that even many of them think a legal case could or should be made.

It's the depth of the negative feelings that those replies highlight.

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@oralloy,

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And even if he had, no Republican is going to be impeached after the Democrats placed Bill Clinton above the law.

You do know that congress was republican during Clintons term? No, I guess you dont.

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@Baldimo,

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What High Crimes and Misdemeanors has Trump committed at this point?

Consorting with a Russian communist government?

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