Will You Watch the Debate?

RexRed, It's very evident in how myopic your views are. US happens to be the biggest arms dealer in the world, and we sell them to Saudi Arabia. There are many links about US arms development and sales. Here's one that should be of interest to everybody. http://fas.org/asmp/campaigns/MANPADS/MANPADS.html

Here's another interesting one. It shows the US arms sales as over 50 percent of the total. France? ha ha ha ha We sold WMDs to Saddam. http://www.motherjones.com/news/special_reports/arms/

"Neo-Con Buffoons Divert Blame for Arms Sales to Iraq from Biggest Culprit: U.S.A.
Wednesday 10.29.03 [4:28 pm]


The neo-con attack-dogs and court-jesters are diverting the blame for arms sales to Iraq, onto France, Russia & China ... from the biggest culprit: the good ole' USA, who sold Iraq the largest cache of armaments, weapons, chemical & biological, etc ... These same hypocritical neo-cons defend Rumsfeld by crying that when he sold WMDs to Saddam Hussein, that Iraq was our ally. Well then, these "dumb-bunnies" can't condemn Hussein for gassing his own people in the 1990s, when his good buddy, Daddy Bush 41 instructed him to go-ahead and massacre thousands using USA-made weapons, while the Bushies & neo-cons stood-by & watched gleefully ..."

Also DTOM,

Concerning WMD in Iraq...

"The President said in his speech that Iraq was a "gathering threat" and after 9/11 we had to "deal with threats before they fully materialized". The former administration "Clinton administration", certainly intelligence services around the world our own and others likely thought that he had stockpiles of WMD. Because we invaded the country, were able to interview scientists and get the documents that Saddam Hussein refused to get for the United Nations we now know he did not have those stockpiles. But at the time everyone believed that was a threat. What we learned in the Dolfer report was there was another grave and growing threat. That was that Saddam was sitting there gaming the system, undermining the sanctions, amassing a huge fortune, that he never gave up his ambitions for WMD. He was keeping in place the expertise, Keeping in place some of the materials. He intended that when the world looked the other way, when sanctions were lifted and he was actively undermining them, they were eroding, he intended to rebuild his WMD programs... He would have been free to do so and then we would have faced and even graver threat. A Saddam Hussein free of international constraints with all of his ambitions intact for the middle east. It was the right time to take care of this threat, you are never going to break the link between Saddam Hussein and WMD. It was only a matter of time. It is a pre September 11th way of thinking to say well we would have just waited to see wether if we could have kept these imperfect sanctions in place."

excerpt from Condalisa Rice interview by Chris Wallace today.

Yeah, go bomb the shet out of all the countries suspected of having WMDs, then make sure they don't do future harm by capturing their leader and putting them into prisons. Let's see; that includes 100 percent of the countries in this world - including us! Amazing logic.

I don't think your claim is provable that we sold weapons to Saddam Hussein. The democrats love to say this but the truth is, they may have been promised but I don't think we ever delivered them... I do watch the news. Then you send me to a page showing how Clinton sold weapons... I didn't vote for Clinton. I voted for a second term of George H.W. Bush. He was more sensible and didn't smirk all the time like Clinton when addressing the American people.

Smirk like Clinton. ha ha ha ha Your unintended jokes are too funny!

US arms sales to Iraq.
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http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1991/C231.html

Current status of GW Bush.
http://www.spacewar.com/2004/040721202335.gmixfm9b.html

Countries that sold arms to Iraq. http://www.worldwidewebfind.com/encyclopedia/en/wikipedia/a/ar/arms_sales_to_iraq_1973_1990.html

It appears that we only sold arms to Iraq to stop Iran from taking the country over. It is not like we were France or China. I still think the numbers of what were promised and what were actually delivered are debatable. Also Saddam put and end to that when he invaded Kuwait. But after that Kuwait invasion France still kept selling them arms... and France does not want blood shed?

RexRed: The problem with your argument is that Iran didn't try to take the country over. Iraq attacked Iran in the Gulf War of the 1980s.

I would also question why the US continues to sell arms to Saudi Arabia?

If France is doing something wrong, why isn't Russia and China?

Russia and China did not oppose the Iraq war so vehemently as did Chirac. Putin warned Bush of Saddam. Chirac made deceptive phone calls trying to sway the world into allowing Saddam more time. Why didn't he just lay the "truth" out on the floor of the UN. IT was the way France after accepting bribes tried to deceive everyone into thinking they were just against war and not trying to protect their greedy special interest.

Saddam deserved more time. That would have given the UN inspectors more time to find no WMDs, and Bush could have prevented killing 15,000 innocent Iraqis.

From Encarta

In the early 1970s Iraq's Kurdish population rebelled against the country's government, and Iran joined several other countries in supporting the insurgency.

Briefly in 1981 Iraq stopped fighting and expressed some willingness to consider a cease-fire, but Iran rejected any attempt to stop the war while Iraq occupied Iranian territory. Thereafter, the Iranian leadership staked out a very firm diplomatic position, claiming that it would never accept negotiations with the Iraqi government.


Iran seized the initiative with several offensives that pushed Iraq out of much of Iran and brought the fighting into Iraqi territory. Throughout the summer and fall of 1982, Iranian attacks along the border focused on splitting the south of Iraq, where the majority of the Shias lived, from the north and capturing the southern Iraqi city of Al Başrah.

The Iranian offensives of 1982 set a pattern that continued for the rest of the war. Exploiting their superiority in numbers, Iran sent its Revolutionary Guard on the attack, supported by regular military forces. Outnumbered Iraqi forces inflicted heavy losses on the Iranians but ultimately fell back.

From a pretty credible source. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1112505.stm

yeah, same down here. i got into the digital technologies, computers, audio/video not only because i liked it, but i thought it was going to be a good bet for the future. aside from on site fixes, most of the offsite work is goin' bye-bye.

bummer.

no... i don't post stuff here from lefty sites. i do my best to post things from major media outlets. sometimes even fox.

townhall.com calls itself a conservative site. BIASED, rex. what part of that do you not understand??

listen to the news, buddy. every single one of karzai's opponents is calling foul. did you think it would go otherwise? one of them sat there and said in essence, if i don't get elected, i won't accept it. that's not me doing anything but listening to somebody in afghanistan.

i don't want it to fail. i want it to succeed. quickly. so our guys can get the hell out of there. the only alternative is to put more guys in and leave them there.

are you gonna enlist for it?

and about your thing for the french. get a life. i'm starting to think that your problem with the french may have less to do with chirac and more to do with your living right next to a bunch of "frogs". and "canadian frogs" at that.

is that it? you just don't like the french, from paris or montreal?

and another thing. just because somebody doesn't hop up and down hollering "4 more years" everytime bush lets one, doesn't mean that they are any less patriotic or un-american.

so keep the leftist crap to yourself