No Justice, No Peace

edgarblythe wrote:

I want the statues down.

What is it about these statues that has you so riled up?

Is it that they represent leaders of the Confederacy?
Is it that they represent a period of civil war?
Is it the slavery aspect of the South?
Is it just Lee in particular you don't like?

The Civil War is a part of American History. Tearing statues down isn't

going to change that. Tearing down statues does nothing other than offer a soothing balm to juveniles.

It's like you have never had it articulated on these forums, why one is opposed to the statues as a glorification of hatred and oppression. If you don't know by now, nobody can help you. - edit - It isn't just a matter of placating juveniles. There are plenty of us geriatrics that are opposed to those symbols.

But, both owned slaves...

It is civil disobedience, which is illegal by definition. The laws that allow these statues to stand are unjust laws to me, and sometimes unjust laws are alright to defy, in my opinion (see entire history of civil rights and voting rights lawbreaking).

Anyway - who owns the public spaces these monuments are on? The authorities or the taxpayers?

I want the statues down. No argument there. I was writing from a tactical sense.

I don't see the connection between Robert E Lee statues and hate groups... When are you guys going to go after Jefferson and Washington? Next summer?

The lawyer for a black woman in the US state of Texas has released a police video which he says shows that she was subjected to an invasive search that amounts to "rape by cop".
In 2015, Charnesia Corley, then 20 years old, had her vagina forcibly searched for drugs after being stopped by police, lawyer Samuel Cammack said.
Charges against two officers have been dropped. A federal lawsuit is ongoing.
The lawyer wants an independent prosecutor to investigate the case.
Police officers had accused Ms Corley, then a college student who had been stopped for allegedly driving through a stop sign, of carrying marijuana. The incident happened at night on 20 June 2015 in a Texaco car park in Houston.
The dashcam footage - released by Mr Cammack after the charges against two Harris County deputies were dropped earlier this month - shows her handcuffed while two officers look inside the vehicle.
She is then searched, but the view of the camera is obstructed by the open rear-passenger door.
Ms Corley is put on the ground, with no clothes below the waist, while a female officer shines a flashlight in her pubic area, in an operation that lasts 11 minutes. The footage does not show the alleged penetration.
Ms Corley is then allowed to stand and cover her body.
"One of the officers on the tape, he was talking to a passenger who was already in custody in the officer's car and you could hear him telling that individual 'Oh we are going to find something, even if we have to put our hands on her'," Mr Cammack was quoted by local broadcaster Fox 26 as saying.
"This same officer body slammed Ms Corley, stuck her head underneath the vehicle and completely pulled her pants off, leaving her naked and exposed in that Texaco parking lot," he added, saying that her treatment amounted to "rape by cop".
"They then took Ms Corley and placed both ankles behind her ears spread eagle position and started to search for something in Ms Corley's cavity in her vaginal area."
Ms Corley was charged with possession of 0.02 ounces (0.5g) of marijuana and resisting arrest, both misdemeanours. But Mr Cammack said the officers never found marijuana on her, and the charges were later dropped by Harris County District Attorney's Office.
Two deputies involved in the incident, Ronaldine Pierre and William Strong, were charged with official oppression, but these were later dropped.
Robin McIlhenny, who represents one of the two deputies, said the footage cleared them of any wrongdoing.
"Deputies can't pick and choose what laws to enforce. And they don't know what end of situation going to be when first get into a situation," Mr McIlhenny was quoted by local Chron website as saying.
"She was never penetrated, she was never violated in that way or inappropriately handled."
Harris County prosecutor Natasha Sinclair told Fox 26: "No-one in this office stands by the search the way it was conducted. No-one condones that. No-one thinks it's appropriate. It should not have happened.
"However bad decisions, bad judgment may not rise the level of a criminal offense."
Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez said in a statement quoted by Chron: "Harris County Sheriff's Office policy prohibits deputies from conducting strip searches without a warrant. In cases in which a warrant is obtained, strip searches must be conducted in a private, sanitary, and appropriate facility."

Don't know if this is true. yethttp://truthuncensored.net/charlottesville-police-come-forward-told-stand-ignite-race-war-video/
A Charlottesville police officer has come forward to express his outrage at being told to “stand down” by the city mayor during violent clashes between protesters.

The officer also claims the protests, which pitched “white supremacists”
against members of Antifa, were “set up” to allow for the groups to ignite into exactly what happened.

“We [Charlotesville police] were ordered to bring the rival groups together. As soon as they were in contact with each other, we were told to stand down. It was outrageous. We weren’t allowed to arrest anyone without asking the mayor first. We weren’t even allowed to stop the driver as he sped away.“

“The event was being set up as far back as at least May and it went like clockwork.”