When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

@Walter Hinteler,

I think the errors in the surprise results you noted were more a result of self-delusion on the part of the pollsters and political prognosters than of any errors of technique on the part of the pollsters themselves. The statistical uncertainties involved here are well-known, however selo-delusion remains.

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@georgeob1,

I showed the other day on RCP how all the polls were getting tight, including some where Trump etched out ahead. Nate Silver explained since it was tight in battleground states, things which may go wrong may end up giving Trump a win.

In other words, minorities turned out less to the polls than Trump's rurual Americans and most of those were in battleground states. Perhaps if Bernie had won, more enthusiasm could have been gotten from Bernie or Bust people to make up less minorities showing up at the polls. Perhaps they either stayed home or voted third party. I think more people voted third party than they did in 2000. Will have to look that up, but it seems I heard that somewhere.

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@revelette2,

I think you are oversimplifing, even trivializing , the process and obscuring the real causes for it.

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@georgeob1,

Of course you think that.

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@revelette2,

Grasping and petty to the end. I pity you.

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@georgeob1,

George, that was unnecessary. I definitely heard a tut tut that time.

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@maporsche,

“The pollsters have lost a lot of credibility and won't be believed on anything soon," said Jonathan Barnett, a Republican National Committeeman from Arkansas who supported Trump. "The way they poll doesn't work anymore."

From one of the links I gave you.

Ya just be wrong.

Wrong.

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@Lash,

Lash wrote:

“The pollsters have lost a lot of credibility and won't be believed on anything soon," said Jonathan Barnett, a Republican National Committeeman from Arkansas who supported Trump. "The way they poll doesn't work anymore."

From one of the links I gave you.

Ya just be wrong.

Wrong.

Ok Lash. Thanks for your input.

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@glitterbag,

glitterbag wrote:

George, that was unnecessary. I definitely heard a tut tut that time.

It was, and I don't usually do that. However I believe it was deserved.

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It was actually the pundits and a lot of the news papers writers who were ignoring the tightening of the race since the FBI (might have a coincidence, I kind of think it was) announcement of reopening the investigation.

I really don't think I am being petty, I have accepted the loss of Hillary Clinton for whatever reason and am ready to see what is the in future which frankly doesn't look very bright. I am scared to death I am going to lose my insurance under Obamacare. I am wondering if the investigations and hearings in the house and senate are still going to continue now that lost the WH? I am also wondering how Trump is going to run this country and how he is going to talk to leaders around the world and what he is going to do.

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@revelette2,

Hillary had too much baggage about trust that did her in.

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It's often said that adversity either destroys or brings out the best in us. Very good and candid remarks this morning from both Secretary Clinton and the President.

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@georgeob1,

If the pollsters learned a lesson, and they correct their methodology, that is all we can ask for. Hindsight is most times 20/20.

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@cicerone imposter,

She did win the popular vote, so I am not sure it was about that so much.

Shades Of 2000? Clinton Surpasses Trump In Popular Vote Tally

Quote:

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton finds herself on the wrong end of an electoral split, moving ahead in the popular vote but losing to President-elect Donald Trump in the Electoral College, according to the latest numbers emerging Wednesday.

As of 12:33 p.m. ET, Clinton had amassed 59,583,144 votes nationally, to Trump's 59,344,988 — a margin of 238,156 that puts Clinton on track to become the fifth U.S. presidential candidate to win the popular vote but lose the election.

Neither candidate got more than 50 percent of the vote: As of noon Wednesday, Clinton stood at 47.7 percent and Trump at 47.5 percent.

I am thinking it more Trump had more of his supporters in the swing states that matter and Hillary had less.

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@cicerone imposter,

Not all of them said the same thing.

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@revelette2,

Thank you. That's the first time I saw those numbers and explanations.

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@revelette2,

I also think Comey's comment made the difference.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

glitterbag wrote:

George, that was unnecessary. I definitely heard a tut tut that time.

It was, and I don't usually do that. However I believe it was deserved.

No one deserves a tut tut, it's an arrogance that is so unappealing and often comes back to bite you in the pretentious butt.

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@revelette2,

take a look at the youth vote

quite a different picture from the general population

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@glitterbag,

Quote:

...it's an arrogance that is so unappealing and often comes back to bite you in the pretentious butt.

Coming from you, that's incredibly funny.

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