It should be pointed out, in all the hoopla about Obamacare premiums rising by 25%, is that that's the price for Obamacare recipients who don't receive government subsidies. However, 86% of Obamacare recipients receive government subsidies that substantially lowers their premiums. The subsidies do not come at the end of the year, they are deducted from the premium before the premium needs to be paid, (unless the recipient chooses instead to receive a lump sum refund at the end of the year). So most Obamacare recipients aren't going to get hurt by this at all.
@Blickers,
Where do those govt subsidies come from?
@Blickers,
Wow! You're incredible, Blickers! You're going to save the world. You have created this awesome news that everyone will want to hear.
Please, quickly disseminate this earthshattering news to the rest of the financial analysts and specialists who say you are dead wrong!!
Obamacare is a ******* disaster.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/upshot/obamacare-premiums-set-to-rise-even-for-savvy-shoppers.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/early-voting-statistics-2016-election/
Quote:Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign has reason for optimism in several swing states -- and appears to have turned Arizona into a battleground -- as millions of Americans vote early.
More than 7.3 million Americans have already voted. Democrats have improved their positions in North Carolina, Nevada and Arizona compared to this point in 2012, according to a CNN analysis of the latest early voting statistics.
Republicans, meanwhile, have good news in Iowa. Republicans have improved their position there over 2012 -- backing up the polls which suggest it could be the easiest state won by President Barack Obama for Trump to flip this year.
And in Florida, where the latest comparable data comes from 2008, Democrats -- buoyed by an increasingly diverse electorate -- have cut deeply into the traditional Republican advantage in early ballots cast so far.
These findings represent absentee ballots submitted and early votes cast through Tuesday across 35 states where data are available. Catalist, a data company that works with progressive candidates and advocacy groups, academics and think tanks, connects the data to voter records, allowing a deeper look at who has already cast a vote in this year's election.
Across 12 battleground states where data are available, more than 4.6 million votes have been cast. Here's a look at the early voting data from several of those battleground states:
much much more at the link
I want to give the Trump supporters (and the 99% of Trump haters here) a legit reason why decent people may still vote for Trump despite everything. (I'm voting Stein...)
Michael Moore has released a film recently pertaining to the election -- and there is what I believe to be a quite powerful excerpt wherein he tries to explain why some decent people will vote for Trump in November.
You can find the video on youtube and running rampantly through Twitter.
Here is the text from Moore:
I know a lot of people in Michigan that are planning to vote for Trump and they don't necessarily agree with him. They're not racist or redneck, they're actually pretty decent people and so after talking to a number of them I wanted to write this.
Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of Ford Motor executives and said "if you close these factories as you're planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on those cars when you send them back and nobody's going to buy them." It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin - the "Brexit" states.
You live here in Ohio, you know what I'm talking about. Whether Trump means it or not, is kind of irrelevant because he's saying the things to people who are hurting, and that's why every beaten-down, nameless, forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov Cocktail that they've been waiting for; the human hand grande that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them. And on November 8, although they lost their jobs, although they've been foreclose on by the bank, next came the divorce and now the wife and kids are gone, the car's been repoed, they haven't had a real vacation in years, they're stuck with the shitty Obamacare bronze plan where you can't even get a ******* percocet, they've essentially lost everything they had except one thing - the one thing that doesn't cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American constitution: the right to vote.
They might be penniless, they might be homeless, they might be fucked over and fucked up it doesn't matter, because it's equalized on that day - a millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And there's more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class. So on November 8 the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touchscreen and put a big ******* X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.
They see that the elite who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him, and now hate. Thank you media: the enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for on November 8.
Yes, on November 8, you Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, all the Blows get to go and blow up the whole goddamn system because it's your right. Trump's election is going to be the biggest **** ever recorded in human history and it will feel good.
@Lash,
Please let that be the last thing written by him you post.
He's a hypocrite no matter which side he takes.
@McGentrix,
So sorry McG. I used to hate him, so I feel ya. You've lodged your complaint, but no holds are barred.
@McGentrix,
Quote McGentrix:
Quote:Where do those govt subsidies come from?
From the gov't. But the Obamacare bashers are complaining that poor people are getting horribly shafted by Obamacare. They want to pose like they are the friend of the poor working stiff who makes $10 and hour, just broke his leg, and has no money to get it treated. Fact is, under Obamacare, he can get a plan he can afford, since his premiums will be highly subsidized.
Don't try to switch sides now.
The low income working poor will not be paying those increases in premiums because their premiums will be subsidized by the government. Conservatives are not the friend of the low income worker who needs health care, which Obamacare provides to him at affordable prices. And will continue to be provided to him at affordable premiums, because the worker will not be paying those premium increases.
@Lash,
I note as usual you didn't refute any facts of Blickers, just posted an article stating what we already know. You really are full of crap.
@revelette2,
Since we're sharing insults, you and your bud are ignorant sycophants for a system that is ruining lives in this country.
I love Michael Moore. I don't a hundred percent agree with all he does, but so what?
@Lash,
And you STILL can't deal with the fact that the 25% increase in Obamacare premiums that you and McGentrix try to say is going to hurt the working poor will not be paid by the the 86% of Obamacare customers whose premiums are subsidized by the government. It's hilarious when conservatives try to pose as the friend of the guy working for $10 an hour whose leg is broken. His subsidized Obamacare premiums-the premiums are reduced before he has to pay them-are affordable to him and he can get his leg fixed. Without Obamacare, he's stuck with a leg that might be damaged permanently. But Obama is supposedly hurting the working poor. What a laugh.
@Lash,
Ho hum. This line been played by you so long, it is not anymore believable now than when you first began it.
@edgarblythe,
Quote:I love Michael Moore.
As an indy movie maker myself, I've made a point of watching several of his productions. He's usually on point with his research.
@revelette2,
Quote:This line been played by you so long, (snip)
Has your chant changed? Still waving your Billary flag?
@revelette2,
Quote:Hillary's military stance has always worried me, she is very hawkish.
She's a war criminal. How many accounts of her criminality do you need?
@Builder,
Now you are just creeping nuts. We have a **** load that must go first, Dick Cheney. Henry Kissinger, Donald Rumsfeld. Alberto Gonzales and who can forget Wolofowitz.
I know some want to think she is a war criminal, but thats just wishful thinking for the ordained believers. Senators don't command troops, and the Secretary of State is not a military position, despite what some sad folks would like to believe. There is a terrible disconnect from people 50 and under, they don't have a clue how the military is structured, and worse yet, they don't care. Thats why they remain so ignorant, they listen to others who are clueless about military and military commitment and they think they know everything. God Help Us.
@glitterbag,
Quote: Senators don't command troops, and the Secretary of State is not a military position, despite what some sad folks would like to believe.
Now we know your role here.
The current president laments his "role" in the invasion of Libya, after being convinced it was necessary by his sec of state on "humanitarian" grounds, and you're telling us that she can't direct traffic militarily?
Nice try G.
No banana this time.
@Builder,
Wow, I had no idea you were such an amateur. For a Guy living in Australia, who is not a US citizen, you know almost zippy de do da about American Government Structure. It's kind of cute but not in a flattering way that you struggle with the basics. I don't enjoy correcting you, I have other things to do. Frankly if I wanted to waste my time educating the dim, Id be working on Americans, you know, the ones who can actually decide this election. Gotta Go, see ya sparky.
