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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

 
 
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 04:32 am
@Builder,
It's about to get worse.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 04:34 am
@glitterbag,
Madonna is the pig in this scenario.
Builder
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 04:43 am
@Lash,
Quote:
Madonna is the pig in this scenario.


I haven't found any source that refutes what she said.

I nearly threw up when she shoved the tongue down Britney's throat on stage.

Material momma needs a slap upside the back of the noggin.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 04:51 am
@glitterbag,
When someone claims to find something hilarious, more often than not the opposite is the case, which is why they resort to the piss poor wit of a backward child.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 07:29 am
@Lash,
Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking

Quote:
But Clinton is correct. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.




"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 07:38 am
@revelette2,
It's interesting to note that when the Panama Papers, hacked emails revealed mass tax avoidance schemes executed primarily by non-insulated political outsiders. Obama deemed it “important stuff” and called for international tax reform in the wake of the revelations contained therein.

But, when the Podesta emails reveal ongoing, systemic, baked-in wrong-doing on the part of anointed political favorites, the bogeyman of “Russian state-sponsored hackers” is trotted out, hell-bent on throwing the election and Obama starts talking about “folks needing some kinda Ministry of Truthiness”.

Glenn Greenwald exhaustively back-traced where the ‘Russia-hacked-the-election’ meme came from and that it was pure spin. The original author who set the entire farce in motion later admitted it was all a mistake, and revealed that according to the subtext of extensive emails from a Newsweek reporter pressuring him to allow the lie to live, it was US intelligence agencies pushing to spread this narrative.

The “17 agencies that actually confirmed” it was the Russians? Well it turns out that was one guy, namely DCI James Clapper: the head of US intelligence. The same man who committed perjury before congress after his NSA surveillance program was leaked. He issued a statement that included the phrase:

Quote:
We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities. Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.

The word “confirmed” does not appear anywhere in this statement.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 07:46 am
@McGentrix,
Thank you for that important post.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 07:56 am
@McGentrix,
The difference is that with the Panama Papers, investigative journalists are looking at the data and seeking corroboration.

With the Podesta emails, a) people are just looking for mud to sling, and b) they're not doing any kind of vetting or corroboration. Non-journalists are taking this stuff as gospel, but anyone with a journalism or infosec background knows that the data is possibly tainted.

Furthermore, folks see the transparent attempt to influence the election. People are averse to blatant manipulation.
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 08:04 am
@McGentrix,
McGentrix-you're down to quoting ZeroHedge now?
Very Happy Laughing Razz Rolling Eyes Exclamation Exclamation Question Mr. Green

ZeroHedge has been pushing the Russian economic "analysis" for three years at least, comrade. You know, how the evil American "petrodollar" is going to come crashing down any week now, because BRICS is going to kick the economic structure right out of American currency. That was 3 years ago. 2 years ago they were still pushing it. Then a year ago they still hadn't given up. And they're still at it, probably because they know that their audience-paid Russian trolls and Americans who hate Obama so much they'll believe anything anybody tells them as long as it's anti Obama-will accept it.

Of course, in the last 3 years the American dollar has gone UP against most major currencies. But this is ZeroHedge-facts are secondary to giving its anti-US audience some articles predicting America's economic Armageddon, no matter how stupid they are.

Now I see you've joined the list of the gullible.

Friggin' ZeroHedge. You gotta be kidding.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 08:44 am
@McGentrix,
Yes, 17 intelligence agencies really did say Russia was behind hacking

Quote:
But Clinton is correct. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."



Direct link to the joint statement:

Joint Statement from the Department Of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 08:56 am
@DrewDad,
I guess the point for many of us is the proven collusion between some federal agencies and the Clinton campaign--snowballed with a Clinton-cloying media. Many people no longer have any confidence in these groups.

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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 08:57 am
@Blickers,
It's more laughable to believe CNN et al.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 08:58 am
@McGentrix,



Quote:
Well it turns out that was one guy, namely DCI James Clapper: the head of US intelligence


Quote:
But Clinton is correct. On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued a joint statement on behalf of the U.S. Intelligence Community. The USIC is made up of 16 agencies, in addition to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.


That is more than one agency, it is 16 different intelligence agencies in addition to the National Intelligence Agency. It is this intelligence which caused Marco Rubio to issue his rebuke of taking the leaks seriously, he had the same briefing.



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As our intelligence agencies have said, these leaks are an effort by a foreign government to interfere with our electoral process, and I will not indulge it,” Rubio, who is running for reelection to the Senate in Florida, told ABC News Wednesday. “Further, I want to warn my fellow Republicans who may want to capitalize politically on these leaks: Today it is the Democrats. Tomorrow it could be us.”


source
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:20 am
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Trump Campaign: 2 Former Aides Tied To Firm That Wanted To Help Russia Spy On Its Citizens

Two former aids to Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump reportedly are tied to a firm that wanted to help expand the Russian government’s ability to spy on its own people.

The New York Post reported former campaign Chairman Paul Manafort and ex-aide Rick Gates are linked to EyeLock, which wanted to provide iris-reading technology for the Russian subway system to help the government find people on watch lists.


EyeLock did not win the contract, the Post said, but critics say it raises questions about the “unusual business relationship” between senior campaign personnel and a foreign government.

“It raises a lot of questions about national security and what should have been publicly disclosed to get a better handle on ties between the Trump campaign and the Russian government,” a former White House official told the Post.

Before leaving the Trump campaign, Gates told the Post he was involved only in helping EyeLock secure U.S. government contracts. EyeLock told the Post Manafort had no direct involvement or operational role in the company.

“Mr. Trump and the campaign have absolutely no knowledge of this, and these individuals are no longer with the campaign,’’ Trump campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks told the Post.

The revelation comes as WikiLeaks is releasing emails hacked from accounts belonging to the Democratic National Committee and individuals close to the campaign of Democrat Hillary Clinton. U.S. intelligence officials have blamed the hack on Russia, something Trump has refused to acknowledge.

Earlier in the campaign, Trump called on Russia to find the 30,000 emails Clinton described as personal and admitted deleting from her personal server. Trump also repeatedly has expressed admiration for Russian President Vladimir Putin but has waffled on whether the two actually ever met, first insisting they had and then denying it.

Manafort resigned from the Trump campaign in August following revelations of his business ties to pro-Russia leaders in Ukraine involving millions of dollars in cash payments and secret lobbying efforts in the United States.



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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 09:42 am
@revelette2,
Each intelligence agency did not do a full investigation. Clapper is a spokesman for all of them. If you are actually interested in the truth, read what Greenwald has to say about it.

revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 11:38 am
@McGentrix,
I have more respect for our intelligence agencies than I do Greenwald, glory hound.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 12:12 pm
@revelette2,
The same ones that said Saddam had WMD's? I don't recall many of you having a lot of faith in the Intelligence agencies then. Why the u-turn?
revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 12:15 pm
@McGentrix,
I could ask the same of you. However, the Bush administration cherry picked the intelligence they wanted, there was plenty of dissenting opinions they ignored which was later found out.
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Krumple
 
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Reply Mon 24 Oct, 2016 12:18 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

The difference is that with the Panama Papers, investigative journalists are looking at the data and seeking corroboration.

With the Podesta emails, a) people are just looking for mud to sling, and b) they're not doing any kind of vetting or corroboration. Non-journalists are taking this stuff as gospel, but anyone with a journalism or infosec background knows that the data is possibly tainted.

Furthermore, folks see the transparent attempt to influence the election. People are averse to blatant manipulation.



Dob you honestly think the state department is going to admit to wrong doing?

This whole thing is silly.

Its like a person robs a bank. Then a witness sends a letter to the media stating it knows who the bank robber is. Then the bank robber claims the letter given to the media is wrong.
 

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