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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ? Part 2

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 06:54 am
@ehBeth,
I was truly expressing disappointment, not trying to correct you.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 06:56 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Assuming they ever went through "Russian hands" before getting to wikileaks is "extremely gullible".

We know they went through someone's hands, which is enough to discredit anything coming out of them.

Information availability, confidentiality, and integrity. This data has no integrity.
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 02:20 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
This data has no integrity.


Because it's coming from Assange? Or because it doesn't support the corporate propaganda you believe in?

You do understand what an unsecured server means? Any two-bit hacker worth their salt could have that information.

And the US sec of state's advisers (and now we learn the Prez himself) knew about it.

maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 02:32 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
This data has no integrity.


Because it's coming from Assange? Or because it doesn't support the corporate propaganda you believe in?

You do understand what an unsecured server means? Any two-bit hacker worth their salt could have that information.


The information being released right now by Wikileaks has nothing to do with an unsecured server.

It's coming from John Podesta's gmail account (apparently).
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 02:39 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
It's coming from John Podesta's gmail account (apparently).


Thanks. I haven't read enough about him to discuss it yet.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 02:53 pm
@Builder,
Not because it's Assange, but because it's not the original source material.

We know that at least two parties have had the ability to modify the data. (Assange, and whomever gave the data to Assange)

Given the someone's ability to modify the data, we have to make the assumption that it is inherently unreliable.

It only takes the introduction or removal of a few bytes of data to completely change the meaning of a sentence.


"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

"I did have sexual relations with that woman."

"I did have sexual relations with that man."

"I did have sexual relations with that manatee."
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 03:08 pm
@DrewDad,
Quote:
Given the someone's ability to modify the data, we have to make the assumption that it is inherently unreliable.


Given these parameters, everything anyone says is inherently unreliable.

See what I mean? When a trusted person in a position of power "misremembers" being "under sniper fire" on landing at an airport, everything they say is then under a cloud of doubt.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 03:17 pm
@Builder,
It's easily addressable. Ask Podesta to release his emails if they are not true.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 03:35 pm
@McGentrix,
McGentrix wrote:

It's easily addressable. Ask Podesta to release his emails if they are not true.


You wouldn't trust those either. Podesta could edit them before turning them over.

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RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 04:58 pm
@Builder,
Not according to the FBI. They say Russian hackers did it.
maporsche
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 05:02 pm
@Builder,
Builder wrote:

Quote:
It's coming from John Podesta's gmail account (apparently).


Thanks. I haven't read enough about him to discuss it yet.


What's really funny is that this didn't happen through some sophisticated hacking job of gmail. The hackers just guessed his password.

His password was "runner4567". No joke.


Wanna bet that every office in government quickly had discussions about password security?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 05:06 pm
Do any of you get sick and tired hearing about all the evil associated with Hitlary?

RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 05:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
No, I'm glad she is a badass. Instead of running off to Russia and making financial deals with Putin like the Donald would maybe she will put pressure on Russia and Putin unlike Obama. Not knocking Obama but he hasent pushed Putin like he should have. Puts me in mind of Europe just before the 2nd world war.
Glennn
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:28 pm
You would think that the email issue would put a stop to her. But no.
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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:28 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
No, I'm glad she is a badass...


She's what?

Quote:
Not knocking Obama but he hasent pushed Putin like he should have.


Pushed him where? And for what?

Putin told Obama two years ago the buck stops with him. I posted this back then.

Maybe you need to refresh your memory of what was said.

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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:30 pm
@McGentrix,
Quote:
Ask Podesta to release his emails if they are not true.


Apparently he can claim to "misremember" what he did or said, and everything's gonna be alright.
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Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:36 pm
@maporsche,
Quote:
The hackers just guessed his password.

His password was "runner4567". No joke.


That's plausible, though depending on his operating system, passwords are stored in an easily hackable cache.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:57 pm
@Builder,
You mean like when Ronald Reagan couldn't recall if he put Col North in charge of illegally arming the Contras and selling military parts to Iran or not?
Builder
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 07:59 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
There's never been a more obvious divide between those in power, and those who are not.

Two sets of laws.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 19 Oct, 2016 08:05 pm
@Builder,
Bullshit. 4 of the last Presidents (I'm including Hillary) have been born out of the lower middle class. The wealthier, including tRump, are trying to take this nation away from us.

The founders of this country were wealthy and powerful.
 

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