Fallen Soldier's Mom Arrested Outside Laura Bush Event!

Here is a story I found online regarding the incident.



Fallen Soldier's Mom Arrested At First Lady's Rally

Hopewell Resident Shouted That President Bush Killed Her Soldier Son

Sep 16, 2004 4:05 pm US/Eastern
HAMILTON, N.J. (AP) First lady Laura Bush brought her husband's campaign to suburban New Jersey for the first time Thursday, a visit that has Republicans saying they can win a state once thought to be solidly behind John Kerry.

Bush touted her husband's record on improving the economy and fighting the war on terror and told the crowd of GOP supporters gathered at a firehouse that they must work hard to secure his re-election.

Although most of her half-hour speech focused on economic issues, Mrs. Bush made several references to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. She said that many in New Jersey, including some in neighborhoods near the firehouse, lost family members that day.

"Too many people here had a loved one that went to work in New York that day," Bush said. "It's for our country, it's for our children, our grandchildren that we do the hard work of confronting terror."

A woman wearing a T-shirt with the words "President Bush You Killed My Son" and a picture of a soldier killed in Iraq was detained after she interrupted Mrs. Bush's speech.

Police escorted Sue Niederer of Hopewell out of the rally after she demanded to know why her son, Army 1st Lt. Seth Dvorin, 24, was killed in Iraq. Dvorin died in February while trying to disarm a bomb.

As shouts of "Four More Years" subsided, Niederer, standing in the middle of the crowd of about 700, continued to shout about the killing of her son. Secret Service and local police escorted her out of the event, handcuffed her and placed her in the back of a police van.

The first lady continued speaking, and several people shouted back at Niederer. One woman yelled, "Your son chose to fight in that war."

Hamilton, a sprawling bedroom community of 90,000 near Trenton that is home to a large number of state employees, has traditionally been a swing community in local, state and national elections.

New Jersey Republicans are encouraged by recent polls that indicate an erosion of Sen. John Kerry's big early lead in New Jersey.

A Star-Ledger/Eagleton-Rutgers Poll last week had Kerry at 43 percent to Bush's 39 percent, down from a double-digit margin once held by the Democratic challenger.

Those numbers indicate President Bush can win in a state where Democrats outnumbers Republicans, GOP strategist Tom Wilson said.

"This has always been a must-win state for team Kerry. Even a negligible expenditure on our part is going to reap tremendous benefits," Wilson said.

Democrats are not nervous, and expect New Jersey's independent voters to back Kerry, said Kevin Hagan, executive director of the party's state committee.

Someone in the crowd voiced it right, Her son chose to be in the service and unfortunately that means that people die in war.

I told my wife that if I die in this war to never, never, never for one moment think it was someone else's fault. I joined, I knew what was going on and still I joined. I also told her that if I do die and she decides to protest then she is going to disgrace my memory, because I fought in something I believed in.

right on! thanks for serving for those that cannot or will not.

Almost as pathetic as those big mean Democrats beating up on a 3 year old.





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OMG, what a bunch of freaks. Typical, but what a bunch of heartless bastar*s!

Why is Laura Bush having an 'event'? Is she running for office?

Is Terrisa running for office? At least the First Lady has a reason to run, her husband is president. Did you complain when Hillary help your hero?

I was so stupid in 1961. I joined the Army never realizing that I chose to go to war in Vietnam. Actually, I never heard of Vietnam at the time, and as it turned out, my enlistment was up before the big buildup. But it could have easily turned out differently.

They wanted a war in Iraq, but they didn't want to employ enough troops over there to do a adequate job, because that would have meant a draft, and a draft ifsn't popular. We learned that much from the Vietnam War. Unfortunately, that's all we learned. Now we're in another quagmire with another egoist in office who can't admit that he screwed up bigtime.

People join the armed services for different reasons. Many are naive children or just can't find better alternatives. Some few can afford a privileged safe position during a war to avoid a draft then somehow get elected president and play "general of the army."

Is it totally beyond all of you "He chose to serve!" people to accept the fact that the majority of the young people who joined the armed forces did it for the money they were promised to further their education? Personally, I know over 25 of my classmates joined the armed forces, did their service and used the money they got after getting out to go to college. Add another to that group that just happens to be my sister-in-law. She wouldn't have been able to go to college if it weren't for the money she got for serving in the USCG.

For this very reason our President should have done EVERYTHING possible to avoid going to war. Any of these kids, I'm sure would be proud to lay down their lives going after Osama Bin Laden and the orchestrators of 9/11. To have them go to war in a country where we have NO BUSINESS being and to declare MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and have over 800 more of them die after doing so is just irresponsible and -----well, stupid.

And in response to the person who put up the picture of the---I assume--father with his toddler daughter on his shoulders: IF this picture is of a child upset at her father being heckled in a crowd of Kerry supporters then all I have to say is that father should be bit*h slapped for taking his child into a situation he knew was potentially dangerous. The point of this thread is that a fallen soldier's mother was arrested for questioning why none of the Democratic or Republican leadership, and certainly not President Bush's children or relatives, are serving in our armed forces.[/i] Her son died in a war and yes he chose to serve but he died in a war that we had no business fighting. That b.s. is a little hard to swallow.

I completely agree with BPB concerning the woman that was arrested and the war and the people in it.

The woman's point like BpB said is that her son died for no real reason.

That was a dangerous situation to bring a small child.

I can answer this question very simply. None of their children VOLUNTEERED to join the military. Hers did. It matters not why her son joined. Was it for the education money? Maybe. Was it for the training he would receive? Maybe. Was it for the opportunity that a career in the military offers? Maybe. Or possibly a little of each? Who knows. But anyone who joins without understanding that the military's main function is to FIGHT WARS in which there is a possibility of death or injury is just stupid. It is the whole point for the military's existence. Just about the first thing they learn is how to fire a weapon in order to kill people.

So, sorry if this seems cold, but if her son joined and was dumb enough to think that there was absolutely no chance of his being killed, then maybe the only thing she has to complain about is that the military should not have accepted him because his IQ was too low.

Now, just so all you poor sensitive bleeding hearts don't get me wrong, I am not happy that even one soldier has had to die in Iraq. I have had family that was there and I currently have 2 people I know well who are there at this time. And guess what? They both volunteered for the service AFTER we started this war and fully knew when they volunteered that Iraq was a good chance of being their destination. I hope and pray all our forces are able to come home sooner rather than later and will like many of you mourn those who do not.

But I will not feel sorry for them because they are doing what they are paid to do and what they volunteered to do. I think it would disgrace them to feel sorry for them. At least that is the case with those I know who have been there.

Was the woman right to accuse Bush of killing her son?

No. He knew the risks when he volunteered.

Was the woman right to accuse Bush of launching an illegal war of aggression against a country that posed no threat to the United States?

Absolutely. And its a much bigger crime than murder.

I don't feel sorry for them. What I feel is a great sense of waste. No matter how they got into the military or what their intentions were, the fact is that this was a war of our government's choosing and not necessary to defend our country. It should be noted that many National Guard troops have been killed. I don't think they were expecting to fight and die for nothing. The worst possible thing, to me, is for soldiers to fight valiantly and yet die in vain. Nobody wants to say it, but that's what is happening.

Perhaps you are right that it is not murder when a soldier dies in a war even if the war is not a legimate one. However, the woman should have been able to express her views without getting arrested.

Sadly you are completely right.

Absolutely she should. The incident brings disgrace on the police and who ever ordered them to act. Its shocking and an outrage and shameful that it could ever happen in an open democratic society. So I suppose I'm not that surprised it happens in today's America.

You believe in this war? Really? You think you know what's going on? I might believe you love the American ideal, freedom for all, democracy spreading out across the world, the rights of humans protected against injustice or I might believe you want to be a part of the War against Terror(ism), the present, real threat to the world, but , despite what the propaganda (and I use that word infrequently) mills have told you, the war in Iraq is not about any of those things.

I love the American Ideal, that is why I volunteered in 1967, and believe me when I say, like Dick Cheney, I had many other committments that I should have attended to, but I thought that war, as you believe this one is, was a war for the right reasons, freedom, democratic principles, protection of the unprotected. Turns out I was wrong, we fought in Viet Nam to keep a series of autocrats in power and Ho Chi Min at bay.

Oh, well.

And if you think for one moment that this war is about anything other than George W. Bush and his neo-con cronies' weird, myopic view of the world, then you too will find out you were wrong. I hope you live long enough to find out.

I wish you the best.


Joe Nation

Regardless of what each of you think about our nation's youth's reasons for joining the military I can guaran-damn-tee you that they will have to be offered a whole lot more than college money to join from now on. You will no longer have any idealistic youth joining because it is the only way they can get a college education.

Thanks for your OPINION Joe. It is succinct as usual.