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Will Donald Trump Be Afraid To Debate Hillary Clinton?

 
 
revelette2
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 07:43 am
Political cacophony falling on deaf ears, pollster says

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Benghazi.

Misogyny.

Missing emails.

A border wall.

From political pundits to Facebook feeds, what presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump say — and what is said about them — has made the 2016 presidential campaign a never-ending cycle of finger wagging.

But at this point, does any of it really matter?

“Nothing, and I mean nothing, will sway my vote,” said Brenda Taddeo of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., and a Trump supporter. “He's outspoken — some say rude because he has actually says what some people think but are afraid to say — and we really need someone who is not going to sugar coat what's really wrong."

Peter Lane, a 21-year-old student at Bard College in Annandale-On-Hudson, N.Y., contends his support for Clinton also is unwavering despite negative claims against her. Trump has shown himself to be “not a nice person” who is “unfit for the presidency,” making a vote for him “morally irresponsible,” Lane said.

In the past few days, both presidential candidates have faced backlash:
Trump, a Republican, for his comments in a 2005 video from Access Hollywood about groping and kissing women that was came out Friday.

Clinton, a Democrat, faced hacked excerpts of speeches she gave to Wall Street companies that showed conflicts with her public positions.
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giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 08:47 am
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

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I just find it ironic how the left will demonize Trump for sexist statements but blindly forget Bill shoved a cigar into his intern, then smoked it.

I am not aware of any such reports. Also Hillary is on the ballot, not Bill.



You're right Hillary is on the ballot but then again so is Bill just like when Bill was President so was Hillary. But more so it goes to Hillary's character and her duplicitousness. She cares so much for women but not when they are victims of Bill's sexual predations... thats when she goes on the attack and tries to destroy the victim's credibility and character. She's a lying piece of human garbage and she should be swept away with the rest of the trash.
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giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 08:57 am
@revelette2,
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Bill making legal misleading statements about his sex acts with Monica Lewinsky under oath



I guess you're afraid to call it by its real name... Perjury. The president of the United States and lawyer, an officer of the Court, perjured himself. HE LIED UNDER OATH. It ain't about the blowjob, it never was.

And as far as Monica being a willing participant... This is an immature young intern and he is the most powerful man in the Free World... That's like saying the high school teacher who has sex with his 18 year old student is ok because she was a willing participant. Just like the teacher, Bill was in a position of authority over the intern.
maporsche
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 08:59 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

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Bill making legal misleading statements about his sex acts with Monica Lewinsky under oath



I guess you're afraid to call it by its real name... Perjury. The president of the United States and lawyer, an officer of the Court, perjured himself. HE LIED UNDER OATH. It ain't about the blowjob, it never was.


I still don't care that he lied about a BJ. If he lied about something serious, I'd care.

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And as far as Monica being a willing participant... This is an immature young intern and he is the most powerful man in the Free World... That's like saying the high school teacher who has sex with his 18 year old student is ok because she was a willing participant. Just like the teacher bill was in a position of authority over the intern.


Well, she was 22. That's a college senior. That's old enough and then some.
giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 09:05 am
@maporsche,
Well I don't believe you to be stupid enough to miss both points so it's obvious you do it on purpose.

If there's no defending Trump's statements, and let's remember he made statements, he is not being accused of acting on them, then there's no defending Bill or Hillary or YOU for not condemning him.
DrewDad
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 09:13 am
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:
Their excuse now is that supposedly Hillary was mean to Bill accusers which is why it is fair game to bring it out now.

That's the Trump (and Republican) MO. If you're caught doing something despicable, turn around and accuse your opponent of the same thing even if there's no basis for it in reality.
maporsche
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 09:25 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

Well I don't believe you to be stupid enough to miss both points so it's obvious you do it on purpose.

If there's no defending Trump's statements, and let's remember he made statements, he is not being accused of acting on them, then there's no defending Bill or Hillary or YOU for not condemning him.


I see the points your trying to make. I really do.

I think you just don't quite understand that most no one cares about lying about a BJ, even under oath, while being investigated for something completely unrelated.

Trump has been accused of rape and sexual assault as well. You want to focus on his statements while at the same time trying to condemn Hillary about allegations against his husband.

Why don't you give the same weight to the women who are accusing Trump of sexual misconduct?
giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:08 am
@maporsche,
I only know of one woman who has claimed something against Trump and that incident is very well muddied by her and her husband involvement in a lawsuit against Donald for breach of contract so it seems pretty suspect to me.
maporsche
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 10:26 am
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:

I only know of one woman who has claimed something against Trump and that incident is very well muddied by her and her husband involvement in a lawsuit against Donald for breach of contract so it seems pretty suspect to me.


Every allegation (including Clinton's) are muddied in one way or another.

Why is Bill guilty, but Trump innocent?


And when we're done with the sexual ones that you're so hung up on, maybe you can help with figuring out how many of the 3,500 lawsuits filed against Trump, alleging he and/or his companies broke the law (you know, illegal stuff), are legitimate.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/06/01/donald-trump-lawsuits-legal-battles/84995854/
giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 01:28 pm
@maporsche,
A billionaire real-estate Mogul who has been sued 3500 times? And you find that unusual why? And you say he broke the law... was never charged criminally? Or are you talking about civil law? Once again I'm not defending Donald Trump. All I'm asking for is fairness in the news media who are obviously in bed with Hillary's campaign as evidenced by the leaked emails. And remember, as Trump has said himself; he's only guilty of talking... He tells the truth too much... She doesn't tell the truth at all. Trump is guilty only of saying things that he might do... The clintons are guilty of things they've done. So I ask you, which is worse; someone who expresses the opinion that being a corrupt politician is not such a bad thing or the politician who is actually corrupt? You see in my opinion it's a matter of degrees... It's one thing to be a big mouth or put your foot in it it's an entirely different animal when you're actually doing the things that you've been accused of AND getting away with it.
farmerman
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 01:55 pm
@giujohn,
the "mediq" doesnt hqve to serch for exapmples of Trump's sociopqthic mysogynistic, self-dealing pwrsonality. HES ON TV DOING IT IN PUBLIC VIES EVERY DAY. tO STOP THE MEDIA FROM "REPORTING" QGQINST HIM, JUST TELL HIM TO SHUT THE **** UP.

nOT REALLY THOUGH, HES SO MUCH FUN TO LISTEN TO, neh?
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RABEL222
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 03:24 pm
@DrewDad,
Gosh! Hillary was pissed off at all those women who were consensually screwing her husband. I bet she made Bills life hell for awhile too. Many women have stayed in a relationship in those circumstances. Not just Hillary. And I would be willing to bet that none of them had anything good to say about the husbands paramors.
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 03:48 pm
@RABEL222,
Many had no choice but to stay. Many had children, and some had no work experience or skills.
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snood
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 03:57 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Gosh! Hillary was pissed off at all those women who were consensually screwing her husband. I bet she made Bills life hell for awhile too. Many women have stayed in a relationship in those circumstances. Not just Hillary. And I would be willing to bet that none of them had anything good to say about the husbands paramors.


That's what crosses my mind every time I hear someone slamming Hillary for not being nice to the women her husband cheated with. I really don't think it's a natural reaction (or certainly at least not the only possible natural reaction) for the wife to be sympathetic or pleasant with the "other" woman. It strikes me as totally understandable that the wife would be pissed at those women and want to hurt them.

As far as all the talk about how Hillary "harassed" and "abused" those women - the only half-thorough accounts I have read only tell about ONE encounter she had with Juanita Broderick . Broderick has said Hillary Clinton approached her, took her hand, and said "I just want you to know how much Bill and I appreciate what you do for him.” Broderick has since spread widely her interpretation of that as an ominous threat. Can it be that this whole hyperventilated scandal about Hillary's "abuse" of the women Bill had affairs with, all stem from this ONE encounter? Maybe I'm just missing the complete information?
cicerone imposter
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 04:04 pm
@snood,
It would be helpful to see some factual info supported by factcheck or other reliable source.
blatham
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 05:35 pm
The Goldwater candidacy/campaign brought about a severe division in the GOP and among conservatives. The problem was his relative extremism. An unprecedented number of sitting Republican office holders publicly rejected his bid to sit in the WH. Yet that number was far less than is the case today with the Trump candidacy.

But that's not all that is different. Mainstream and right wing media entities have publicly rejected Trump as a candidate in numbers that have no precedent (eg, the National Review's special edition making the case that Trump ought not to be allowed anywhere near the presidency). And there are now many other examples as well, including the following, noted by Jay Rosen.

Rosen's beat is media, particularly how it relates to political matters. And he is one of the most astute and brilliant critics of the common tendency in media to frame matters and issues in the neutral "He said/She said" (or X is equivalent to Y, axiomatically) forms.

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10 OCT 2016 3:41 PM
Neutrality has limit cases

For the first time in its existence — almost 50 years — Foreign Policy magazine has endorsed a candidate for President, and decisively rejected Donald Trump. That’s been happening all over. But in explaining why they took this step, the editors made a call that I want to highlight for you. Read this carefully:

"We cherish and fiercely protect this publication’s independence and its reputation for objectivity, and we deeply value our relationship with all of our readers, regardless of political orientation.

It is for all these reasons that FP’s editors are now breaking with tradition to endorse Hillary Clinton for the next president of the United States.
Notice what they’re saying: Because we zealously guard our independence and objectivity, we feel compelled to warn you about Trump. That’s not a rejection of our non-partisan principles, but an extension of them through extraordinary times.

We have a strong relationship with readers in both parties. We would be failing in that relationship if we didn’t speak up now.

We feel that our obligation to our readers thus extends now to making clear the great magnitude of the threat that a Donald Trump presidency would pose to the United States.”


The idea of not taking a side — which has its own integrity — only has that integrity if it has limits built-in. A lot of journalists are discovering those limits this year. This is a good thing.
http://pressthink.org/2016/10/10/tile/list-top-problems-pressthink/#
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snood
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 06:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

It would be helpful to see some factual info supported by factcheck or other reliable source.
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Yup. All I see are hotheaded accusations by people who hate her. It wouldn't be hard to believe Hillary did something underhanded to hurt those women. But I just haven't seen any evidence she did.
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giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 06:46 pm
But most women whose husband is cheating on them and don't say anything are not running for president of the United States and finding fault with their opponents character.

So in that respect she's more than fair game. Should we be treating her different because she's a woman or because she's a Clinton?
maporsche
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 06:49 pm
@giujohn,
You are the one treating her differently!!!

Trump says disgusting things during debates, during rally's, and on tape from years ago.

You're calling Clintons character into question based on OTHER people's supposed beliefs/statements. That's called hearsay and there is no proof she did anything.

Plenty of proof with Trump.

See the difference??
giujohn
 
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Wed 12 Oct, 2016 06:57 pm
@maporsche,
Hearsay? The charges against the clintons are well-documented. I said it before and I'll say it again; the things Trump is accused of is what he has said. The things the clintons are accused of our things they've done. And I might add that Trump is a private citizen the clintons are public servants and were officers of the Court holding a public Trust...someone in a position of public trust to should be held higher standard when they do something wrong.

And what she did was violate the public trust by not safeguarding our nation Secrets...the fact that she was not prosecuted for it does not take away from the fact that she did it. That's not hearsay.

She also caused the death of an ambassador and three other Americans and then lied about it.
 

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