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Why Obamacare is a Failure

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 03:42 pm
@izzythepush,
I wish we had a similar plan in the US. I would prefer our government spend money on UHC over defensive spending (which is ridiculous by any standard).

List by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
2016 Fact Sheet (for 2015)[1]
SIPRI Military Expenditure Database[3] List by the International Institute for Strategic Studies
Top 15 Defence Budgets 2015[4]
Rank Country Spending
...............................................($ Bn.)... % of GDP
World total 1,676.0 2.3
1 United States United States..... 596.0 3.3
2 China China[a]..................... 215.0 1.9
3 Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia.... 87.2 13.7
4 Russia Russia....................... 66.4 5.4
5 United Kingdom United Kingdom 55.5 2.0
6 India India.......................... 53.6 2.3
7 France France..................... 50.9 2.1
8 Japan Japan....................... 40.9 1.0
9 Germany Germany[a]............ 39.4 1.2
10 South Korea South Korea........ 36.4 2.6
11 Brazil Brazil....................... 24.6 1.4
12 Italy Italy.......................... 23.8 1.3
13 Australia Australia............... 23.6 1.9
14 United Arab EmiratesUnited Arab Emirates 22.8 5.7
15 Israel Israel....................... 16.1 5.4
16 Turkey Turkey..................... 15.2 2.1
17 Canada Canada................... 15.0 1.0
18 Spain Spain....................... 14.1 1.2
19 Iraq Iraq........................... 13.1 9.1
20 Poland Poland.................... 10.5 2.2
21 Algeria Algeria................... 10.4 6.2
22 Iran Iran........................... 10.3 2.5
23 Oman Oman...................... 9.9 16.2
24 Colombia Colombia............. 9.9 3.5
25 Taiwan Republic of China...... 9.8 1.9
26 Pakistan Pakistan................ 9.5 3.4
27 Singapore Singapore............ 9.4 3.2
28 Netherlands Netherlands...... 8.9 1.2
29 Mexico Mexico................... 7.7 0.7
30 Indonesia Indonesia............. 7.6 0.9


Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 03:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
I wish we had a similar plan in the US. I would prefer our government spend money on UHC over defensive spending (which is ridiculous).

One is mandated by the Constitution and the other isn't. You do understand the Constitution and what it entails the US govt to do and not do, don't you? Can you point to the section in the Constitution which says the govt has to pay for my insurance or provide insurance at taxpayers expense?
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:19 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Doctors are like farmers. The more money they make the more they bitch. In case someone says I dont know what I am talking about, know that I live in a farming community that is populated by farmers and farm workers.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:21 pm
@RABEL222,
Farmers perform brain surgery and re-attach limbs?

I mean, I know farming is damn hard work, but, it's not exactly brain surgery.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:28 pm
@izzythepush,
Izzy, I agree with you more often than not but you nailed it with your description of the adoration of the 1% by the conservatives even as the conservatives screw them blind.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:30 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:


That was exactly the problem as well, since the model couldn't work on free market principles, it had to resort to a mandate, which still failed to properly fund the insurance coverage the govt was pushing for, hence the reason so many insurance companies were dropping out of the exchanges as well as exchanges and insurance co-ops were failing. You can't force people to buy something they don't want or need.


Yeah, but you can keep raising the penalty on those that don't want it till they make the personal decision to buy into it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:32 pm
@RABEL222,
One of the things that makes for interesting times during our generation.
24 million people will lose their health care under Trumpcare. Many will end up dying.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/24-million-people-will-lose-insurance-thanks-trumpcare
RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:35 pm
@McGentrix,
You are obviously a city boy who thinks chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Farmers have to know a lot about a lot of things .
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:36 pm
@cicerone imposter,
They will ALL end up dying.
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RABEL222
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
And what worries me is that that asshat Ryan is still trying to kill as many people as he can before the dems regain the senate. He hasent given up.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 09:41 pm
@RABEL222,
What's he trying to do, get rid of anyone who might not be voting for him?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 28 Mar, 2017 10:06 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

You are obviously a city boy who thinks chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Farmers have to know a lot about a lot of things .


I thought it was the Swiss cows? /jk

Some of my best friends are farmers...
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 12:35 am
@RABEL222,
Thanks.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 10:15 am
@roger,
Quote:
Yeah, but you can keep raising the penalty on those that don't want it till they make the personal decision to buy into it.

That really isn't a personal decision then is it? It's a forced decision by the govt and forced compliance, not really something the FF wanted the govt to do. Remember, the Constitution was written to limit the power of govt, not the power and choice of the people.
thack45
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 11:26 am
You guys and your "the constitution.. the constitution.. " are like the bad guy in Lethal Weapon with his "diplomatic immunity" Rolling Eyes
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 11:42 am
@thack45,
Quote:
You guys and your "the constitution.. the constitution.. " are like the bad guy in Lethal Weapon with his "diplomatic immunity" Rolling Eyes

Yep, The Constitution. I'm sure you have invoked it before. Does it bother you that we have a document that limits the power of govt?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 11:53 am
@thack45,
But no way near as articulate.
thack45
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 12:05 pm
@izzythepush,
Sorry: the consteetooshun
McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 12:50 pm
@thack45,
thack45 wrote:

You guys and your "the constitution.. the constitution.. " are like the bad guy in Lethal Weapon with his "diplomatic immunity" Rolling Eyes


Seriously? I'm not sure, are you an American?
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Wed 29 Mar, 2017 01:17 pm
@thack45,
That sounds more like it.
 

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