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Why Obamacare is a Failure

 
 
cameronleon
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 08:57 am
Obama's legacy lean on protecting homosexuals by declaring any aggression to them as "hate crime"

After this goal, Obamacare is the only other issue which can be considered as legacy.

So, eight years in power to reach two goals successfully.

You eliminate Obamacare and the only legacy from Obama will be his defense on homosexuals. What a great legacy... eight yeas in power...

Having that Obamacare is a health insurance system based in obtained funds from the government, corruption will be the main ruler, because no one will audit the government to check where the tax payers money goes.

President Trump is smart enough to cancel the mandatory subscription of people to a health insurance service otherwise will pay a penalty. This action takes away lots of money to the Obamacare system and eventually will die by its own.

On the other hand, lots of health service providers have found the way to obtain government funds thru Obamacare and are the ones opposed to the elimination of this program.

These health service providers are the ones treating senators and politicians in general to keep Obamacare alive, because is an easy to be corrupted program and are making great profit from it.

While president Trump wants a health program for the benefit of people, the professional politicians are looking for keeping their place in power by obeying the health service providers, otherwise their donations for political campaigns will go to the opposite candidate in the next elections.

President Trump must fight against the political corruption of Conservative and Liberals, who have been selling the country in order to keep their political seat and power.

Obamacare itself is a bad program which has been imposed and still is surviving thanks to corrupt methods.

In my opinion, the best health care system for everybody in general is to add a dollar tax to gasoline and with that money to pay the health insurance to every American in the US. No more health care premiums and deductibles, a flat tax in gasoline and a national health care system for everyone regardless of income, health status, etc.




edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 09:34 am
@cameronleon,
I regarded Obamacare, from the beginning as a constructive first step never capitalized on. Once people had a taste of health care, I hoped they would demand universal care. It didn't happen. But. So-called Trumpcare is the absence of any health care at all, for millions. Anybody considering it an improvement has no vision at all.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 09:42 am
@edgarblythe,
It just hasn't happened yet Edgar.

There is no doubt we're getting there. It's closer now than it ever has been.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 12:00 pm
@edgarblythe,
It's been rated by the OMB that Trumpcare will take away healthcare from 22 million Americans. All ACA needs is some tweaking to improve the funding distribution and cost sharing with the states. Many countries have universal healthcare. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/259153/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 12:23 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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It's been rated by the OMB that Trumpcare will take away healthcare from 22 million Americans. All ACA needs is some tweaking to improve the funding distribution and cost sharing with the states. Many countries have universal healthcare. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/259153/

The lies continue on this front. The CBO has also said that a majority of those people would be choosing by choice to not carry a product they don't think they need.
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About 6.5 million Americans paid an average penalty of $470 for not having health insurance in 2015—20 percent fewer than the year before, according to data released Tuesday by the IRS.

How many more would not be carrying insurance if there wasn't a mandate?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 12:31 pm
@Baldimo,
It's a free marketplace. It's not illegal not to buy health insurance. Is that news to you? The initial study about the insurance market was off, because they didn't consider the fact that the younger generation wasn't interested in buying health insurance. When a young person has had good health for most of their life, they're not going to spend money on health insurance. It's that simple.
http://time.com/money/3821525/health-insurance-age-26/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2017 01:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
[quoteIt's a free marketplace. It's not illegal not to buy health insurance. Is that news to you? [/quote]
It isn't illegal since Trump made it so. While you wouldn't have been arrested, the IRS was there to make sure you paid your fine/fee/tax for not having insurance.

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The initial study about the insurance market was off, because they didn't consider the fact that the younger generation wasn't interested in buying health insurance.

I can't help but laugh my ass off at this comment from you. It wasn't that long ago that you were calling me stupid because "who doesn't want insurance"... You have literally switched sides on this subject in a matter of a couple of months.

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When a young person has had good health for most of their life, they're not going to spend money on health insurance. It's that simple.
http://time.com/money/3821525/health-insurance-age-26/

I'll mention it again, you were one of those people calling me out as a liar when I said people didn't want insurance, you were flabbergasted that people would not want such a thing.

I found one of our exchanges from May 27th in the The Quotable Reich thread:
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@Baldimo,
"Choose not to have health insurance?" What alternate reality do you live in?
Do you know why many developed and third world countries provide universal health care?

Now you are a defender of choice in the health insurance market?
old europe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 12:06 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

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It's a free marketplace. It's not illegal not to buy health insurance. Is that news to you?

It isn't illegal since Trump made it so.


Baldimo, could you maybe give a source for how "Trump made it so"?

Trump signed a vaguely worded Executive Order, but Congress failed to pass legislation to enact a repeal of Obamacare or of the individual mandate. Congress has been working separately on measures to prevent the IRS from enforcing the individual mandate - like proposing a provision to an appropriations bill that would prevent the IRS from enforcing section 5000A of IRS code -, but none of that has been enacted either.

As far as I know, the IRS is still processing penalties from taxpayers who refused to purchase health insurance.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 04:04 am
@old europe,
Why are you being so difficult? Just think what you're told to think, that's why Baldy's so happy and content. Thinking is Socialist and un-American.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 01:06 pm
@old europe,
http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2017/02/on_trumps_order_irs_stops_enfo.html
The IRS is no longer enforcing their tax/fee/penalty/fine for not having insurance. If you admit to not having it and pay the fee/fine/penalty/tax, the IRS will still process the return. If you do not admit to anything and leave that portion of the return blank, they will still accept and process your return with no penalty/tax/penalty/fine/fee and you will still get your return.
old europe
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2017 06:13 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
If you admit to not having it and pay the fee/fine/penalty/tax, the IRS will still process the return. If you do not admit to anything and leave that portion of the return blank, they will still accept and process your return with no penalty/tax/penalty/fine/fee and you will still get your return.


Sooo.... they're doing exactly what they've been doing the last eight years?

Here, let me the relevant part in the article you've linked:

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Originally, the IRS had planned to start rejecting returns this year if a taxpayer failed to indicate whether he or she had coverage. Now the IRS says it will keep processing such returns, as it has in the past.


In other words, nothing has changed.

You're free to argue that Trump's Executive Order stopped - for the time being - the IRS from changing to a new, stricter policy in enforcing the individual mandate. Instead, the exact same policies that have been in effect under Obama will remain in effect.
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