Why Obamacare is a Failure

@cicerone imposter,

I think he has a disconnect with reality. He says one thing but acts (votes) another.

@izzythepush,

From Factcheck:

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That’s roughly 15 million Americans who weren’t insured who now are, which is three to five times the number Price used.

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@McGentrix,

That is total horse pucky. They breathed a sigh of relief when Obamacare finally made healthcare available and affordable and live indread that the GOP Ebenezer Scrooges are going to sgtrip it awsy again,

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@cicerone imposter,

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If you really believe they don't want health insurance, you need to check into an insane asylum.

You mean the young people who are healthy and don't want insurance plans? There are plenty of people out there who do not want to carry insurance. Look at the #'s of people who paid the fine/fee/tax to the IRS for not having insurance.

As a single person before I was married and had kids, I didn't want insurance, I wanted the money in my pay check. Why did I want to pay for something I was never going to use?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/8-million-americans-paid-1-7-billion-for-not-having-obamacare/

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@Baldimo,

The young people think they'll never get sick. It's based on ignorance - when they come down with a real health problem, they'll be the first to acknowledge they were wrong. Maybe not: Still based on ignorance.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/05/what-would-be-impact-if-affordable-care-act-repeal/

Here are the facts on Medicare:
http://www.medicareadvocacy.org/medicare-matters-for-young-americans-expect-it-protect-it/

Impact without Medicare:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/05/what-would-be-impact-if-affordable-care-act-repeal/

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@McGentrix,

If the GOPhad ever actally read the polls about WHYpeople didn't like like Obamacare they would have found that around 30 percent didnt like it bacause it didnt gofar enough. Now that it is endangere those people surged support for it and against the sham GOP anti health care scam.

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@Baldimo,

Thats kinda like saying "Why do i need car insrance? Im a safe defensive driver, so Ill never have an accident." Then you meet a wrong way driver head on

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@MontereyJack,

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Thats kinda like saying "Why do i need car insrance? Im a safe defensive driver, so Ill never have an accident." Then you meet a wrong way driver head on

The only people who have to carry auto insurance is those who own cars. Your analogy holds no weight.

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@Baldimo,

The only people who have to carryhealth insurance are those who are going to get sick or need a doctor's care sometime in their hopefully 80 odd years of life, i.e. everyone. Pretty good analogy.

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@MontereyJack,

And, here's a map of the countries that provides universal health care. The US is the only developed country that doesn't.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/05/what-would-be-impact-if-affordable-care-act-repeal/

https://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/international/assets_c/2012/06/mf%20healthcaremap%20p-thumb-615x314-91612.jpg

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@MontereyJack,

Both you and CI missed the point, which is that some people do not want to carry insurance. The majority of the 14 million people the CBO says will loose insurance will do so by choice and not due to a change in health insurance.

A majority of young people do not want to bother with it when they are young, much like I didn't want it. When I got married and had kids, my tune changed and I started to carry insurance because there was more than me to worry about. Many many people do the very same thing. If they don't need it why force them to carry it?
That's right, socialism doesn't work unless everyone plays along.

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@cicerone imposter,

So, what's you point. Because the other countries do it, we have to do it as well? Most of those nations have limited birth right citizenship, which we don't have. Do we make that change as well? One parent has to be a citizen in order for the baby to be a citizen.

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@Baldimo,

Those who do not carry insurance go to the emergency room that ends up costing everybody else.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Those who do not carry insurance go to the emergency room that ends up costing everybody else.

When they get subsidized health insurance, what do you think "subsidized" means? Where does that money come from genius?

Also, I said they didn't want Obamacare. I didn't say they didn't want health insurance. Please read before attacking the keyboard.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

That is total horse pucky. They breathed a sigh of relief when Obamacare finally made healthcare available and affordable and live indread that the GOP Ebenezer Scrooges are going to sgtrip it awsy again,

That is a crazy thing to say. Why would they breath a sigh of relief at being forced to buy something they don't want or to be hounded by the IRS for not having it? That is something a completely insane person would say. Not you specifically, but an insane person. A real nutter.

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@McGentrix,

Subsidized means it's paid from our taxes. In countries with universal health care, it's subsidized by their taxes.
People without health insurance go to the emergency rooms that costs more.
http://health.costhelper.com/emergency-room.html
Anyone with common sense knows that prevention is better for all concerned.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Subsidized means it's paid from our taxes. In countries with universal health care, it's subsidized by their taxes.
People without health insurance go to the emergency rooms that costs more.
http://health.costhelper.com/emergency-room.html
Anyone with common sense knows that prevention is better for all concerned.

That's not what you said. You said that going to the emergency room costs everyone ellse. So does subsidizing health insurance costs. Having health insurance does create a magical bubble of prevention. Why would you think people would be using their insurance for prevention? Most have an outrageous deductible they have to meet before insurance pays a dime. Maybe you need to try living in the real world for a bit.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

I would like to point out Donald received a plurality of votes. Almost 3 million more voted for Clinton. He was elected by a minority.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If you really believe they don't want health insurance, you need to check into an insane asylum.

I am beginning to suspect he is already there.

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@RABEL222,

RABEL222 wrote:

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If you really believe they don't want health insurance, you need to check into an insane asylum.

I am beginning to suspect he is already there.

Yay! Another voice of the illiterate! Jorge!

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