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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 09:37 am
@izzythepush,
The party and electoral system in the United States is certainly different from that in other countries. (Those in Germany and the UK are also different).
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PoshSpice
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 10:39 am
In addition to facts shared previously, the two entrenched parties spend millions to squash campaigns of challengers to incumbents, which actually includes democrats and republicans supporting ‘the opposing party’s’ candidate rather than allow anti establishment candidates a chance to win.

In a NC race, a democrat operative sent people door to door to threaten Green Party voters to take their name off a ballot access petition. It worked.

So, our form of govt seems to be Mob Rule.

But, The Mob, not a mob.
PoshSpice
 
  -2  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 10:43 am
https://www.carolinajournal.com/opinion/nc-shouldnt-give-no-labels-the-green-party-treatment/

In 2022, the Green Party collected all the signatures they needed to get recognized as an official party so their U.S. Senate candidate Matthew Hoh, as well as another candidate for the state legislature, could run on the Green Party ticket. Enough signatures were verified by the county boards of election to more than accomplish this task. But they were not recognized.

Instead, they faced lawsuits from Democrat super-lawyer Marc Elias, with assistance by the state’s Democratic Party. Elias and the Democrats also reached out directly to those who had signed and, allegedly, harassed them until many of them agreed to pull their names. Some of those calling to ask signers to “unsign” the petition even pretended to be calling on behalf of the Green Party, according to audio provided to the Carolina Journal by actual members of the party.

The Green Party also faced endless bureaucratic red-tape and legal hurdles that went right up to, and even beyond, the deadlines. In the end, after great pressure, the state board of elections approved the Green Party to run candidates, and a federal judge ruled that because they had met all the actual legal requirements and the delay wasn’t due to their own negligence, they would have to be allowed on the ballot.
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Balance of article at link.

Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 10:52 am
@PoshSpice,
PoshSpice wrote:
So, our form of govt seems to be Mob Rule.

But, The Mob, not a mob.
An ochlocracy.
PoshSpice
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2023 11:00 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Yes, thank you.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 11:07 am
@PoshSpice,
According to Plato, oligarchy is the lawless rule of the rich.

Nowadays, I think, representative democracy is everywhere more or less heavily interspersed with some oligarchic components.
PoshSpice
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2023 12:35 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
I can’t disagree.
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blatham
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2023 03:30 pm
@PoshSpice,
And the author of that piece is David Larson...
Quote:
Before coming to Carolina Journal, David spent four years with North State Media, where he was associate editor of their North State Journal print newspaper and managing editor of a local print paper, Stanly County Journal. Prior to realizing that journalism and writing in general were his vocation, David spent about seven years in North Carolina politics. He ran the legislative offices of current state Senate Majority Leader Kathy Harrington and now-U.S. Congressman Dan Bishop at the N.C. General Assembly. David was also campaign manager for former state. Sen. Jim Davis in 2012 and 2014, as well as deputy director of the N.C. Republican Senate Caucus.
Here
PoshSpice
 
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Sat 16 Dec, 2023 07:53 pm
@blatham,
Do you dispute the veracity of the article?

I can find many other sources—because it happened.
But, you really aren’t interested in the facts, are you?
glitterbag
 
  1  
Sat 16 Dec, 2023 10:04 pm
@PoshSpice,
Oh whoopee, you're back. Are you still feeling misty about Princess Diana's sons?
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PoshSpice
 
  0  
Sun 17 Dec, 2023 06:32 am
Jeremy Corbyn
@jeremycorbyn
18h
While sections of our media are being exposed for their shameless corruption, journalists in Gaza are being killed for exposing the truth.

We hear the silence from those who cannot show solidarity with brave colleagues abroad, enduring a level of horror they will never know.
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glitterbag
 
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Sun 17 Dec, 2023 02:01 pm
@PoshSpice,
PoshSpice wrote:

Do you dispute the veracity of the article?

I can find many other sources—because it happened.
But, you really aren’t interested in the facts, are you?


Are you talking about real facts or the stuff you glean from OAN?
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PoshSpice
 
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Mon 18 Dec, 2023 07:02 am
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-lawsuits-voting-north-carolina-raleigh-48f1e61c1988c7083edcdc7bb1eace4a

Democrats sue to keep Green Party off North Carolina ballot


RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina Democrats, accused by the Green Party of meddling in its petitioning process to qualify candidates for the November ballot, have asked a state court to overturn a unanimous elections board vote granting the Green Party official recognition despite allegations of fraud.

The lawsuit, filed Wednesday in Wake County Superior Court, precedes the first hearing next Monday in a Green Party lawsuit against the North Carolina State Board of Elections, when the newly certified party will fight for an extension to a statutory deadline preventing its candidates from appearing on the ballot.

While the elections board investigated inconsistencies in the Green Party’s signature sheets, initially rejecting its petition at a June 30 meeting before reversing the decision Monday, the party missed the July 1 candidate filing deadline set in state law.

With an Aug. 12 ballot printing deadline looming, the Green Party needs a favorable outcome in federal court next week for its U.S. Senate candidate to appear alongside Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians this fall.

But the Democrats’ lawsuit — asking a state court to prohibit the board from recognizing the Green Party “unless and until it has completed its investigation” — could cause enough delay to block the party’s arduous ballot bid.

The North Carolina Democratic Party argues the board’s decision to approve the Green Party petition amid an ongoing investigation into some signature gatherers could elevate candidates “backed by an invalidly recognized political party,” which would “directly harm” Democrats’ electoral prospects and their right to compete in fair elections.

Democrats have drawn widespread criticism for pressuring signers to retract their names from the petition, warning Green Party certification could divide progressive voters and hand the GOP victories in tight races.

As the Green Party inches closer to placing its choice for U.S. Senate, Matthew Hoh, on the North Carolina ballot, Western Carolina University political science professor Chris Cooper said Democrats see a real possibility that Hoh could spoil their efforts to elect former state supreme court justice Cheri Beasley over Rep. Ted Budd, who’s endorsed by former President Donald Trump.
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Antidemocratic bullying by the Democrat party.



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Real Music
 
  2  
Tue 19 Dec, 2023 11:50 am
Rachel Maddow makes the case that the reason Donald Trump does not change his talking points when people point out that his words are echoing Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini is that Trump knows (and new polling of Republican voters shows) how powerfully appealing some people find the ideas that language frames. But just as past democracies found ways to resist autocrats, so too can Americans adopt practices that sap the power of Trump's appeal.


Published Dec 18, 2023

Real Music
 
  2  
Tue 19 Dec, 2023 11:56 am
Jen Psaki discusses Donald Trump's most recent comments including that immigrants "are poisoning the blood of our country" and praise of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and North Korea leader Kim Jong Un. Psaki breaks down how Trump is normalizing his "extreme, fascist rhetoric" and why it's working.


Published Dec 18, 2023

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Frank Apisa
 
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Tue 19 Dec, 2023 02:00 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:

Rachel Maddow makes the case that the reason Donald Trump does not change his talking points when people point out that his words are echoing Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini is that Trump knows (and new polling of Republican voters shows) how powerfully appealing some people find the ideas that language frames. But just as past democracies found ways to resist autocrats, so too can Americans adopt practices that sap the power of Trump's appeal.




The fact that Americans CAN do it has really never been in question. What is in question, though, is whether or not Americans WILL do it.

There is a sizeable element willing to aid and abet Trump in whatever the hell it is he is doing. A determined minority can get things done...especially if the majority sits back and just watches it happening. As I see it, that is what seems to be happening right now.
vikorr
 
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Tue 19 Dec, 2023 02:40 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I think calling them a minority is a bit misleading, given the sheer volume of people he appeals to.

Before Trump got elected to his first term, I was saying "Trump will only get elected if the current crop of politicians have completely and utterly failed the people" (ie. that a very substantial percentage of the population were utterly disillusioned by the vast majority of politicians). I still think this is the case -people are motivated to vote for a reason, and it really isn't because Trump's bigotry appeals to them, but rather, they are motivated to give the middle finger to the system.

Of course that it will ultimately make things worse doesn't matter to people who already have it bad. They want others to feel, and understand, their pain.
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Vich2
 
  1  
Tue 19 Dec, 2023 05:45 pm
@PoshSpice,
Careful what you wish for (a new party).

We've been getting new parties since it all started, but they usually come in the form of hijacks. Just look where the Republicans started (Lincoln), and where they're destined to go next (the party of Trump).
PoshSpice
 
  1  
Fri 22 Dec, 2023 07:05 am
@Vich2,
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/21/world/middleeast/gaza-death-toll-palestinians.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimesworld

Gaza Deaths Surpass Any Arab Loss in Wars With Israel in Past 40 Years
The death toll reported in Gaza has surpassed 20,000, according to officials in the territory, the heaviest loss on the Arab side in any war with Israel since the 1982 Lebanon invasion.

By Liam Stack
Published Dec. 21, 2023
Updated Dec. 22, 2023, 1:15 a.m. ET

The number of Gaza residents reported killed during Israel’s 10-week-old war in the territory has already surpassed the toll for any other Arab conflict with Israel in more than 40 years and perhaps any since Israel’s founding in 1948.

The Gaza Health Ministry said on Thursday that the death toll was more than 20,000, putting it above one of the most authoritative estimates of those killed in Lebanon by Israel’s 1982 invasion.

And though Gaza officials have said counting the dead has become increasingly challenging, most experts say the figure is likely an undercount and express shock at the enormity of the loss. Some military experts said more people had been killed more quickly in this war than during the deadliest stages of the U.S.-led wars in Afghanistan or Iraq.

Azmi Keshawi, the Gaza analyst for the International Crisis Group think tank, said this war was “more horrifying” than any he had experienced before. He said he and his family had fled his home in northern Gaza and moved six times so far. They now live in a tent near a U.N. shelter in the southern city of Rafah.
ImageA man sits cross-legged on the ground, holding a body wrapped in a white shroud in his arms. Another man is kissing the man’s head. They are surrounded by other people.

The Gaza Health Ministry has said that about 70 percent of those killed in the war are believed to be women and children. Credit...Yousef Masoud for The New York Times

The Israeli military has engaged in an intense air and ground campaign to eliminate Hamas, the armed Palestinian group that rules Gaza and led the Oct. 7 attack that officials say killed about 1,200 people in Israel, including hundreds of soldiers.

The high death toll reflects how Israel has chosen to wage the war, using thousands of airstrikes, heavy bombs and artillery in a small territory densely packed with civilians who cannot escape. Israel has said Hamas built an extensive tunnel network underground to shield its fighters and weapons, putting civilian infrastructure and people on the ground in the line of fire.

The Gaza war was already thought to be the deadliest conflict for Palestinians in the 75 years since Israel was established. According to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics, an estimated 15,000 Palestinians were killed during the war surrounding Israel’s creation in 1948.

The deaths in the current conflict, if the figures from Gaza are accurate, have also exceeded the most widely cited estimate of the toll for the initial three months of the 1982 invasion of Lebanon. But as in Gaza today, researchers say the number killed in Lebanon may never be known with confidence because of the fog of war, even four decades later.

That estimate comes from an analysis of police and hospital records compiled in 1982 by the newspaper An Nahar, which at the time was among the Arab world’s most respected. It put the death toll at 17,825. But the paper said that tally was most likely an undercount, and in 1982, The Times reported that “numbering the dead correctly is virtually impossible” in Lebanon.

In the 1967 Middle East war, nearly 19,000 Egyptians, Syrians and others were estimated to have been killed fighting Israel, while a similar number — mostly Syrians and Egyptians — died in the 1973 war, according to The Associated Press. As in the Gaza and Lebanon wars, the exact tolls for these wars are also not known, but most of the dead were believed to be combatants.

In contrast, the Gaza Health Ministry, which is part of the Hamas-run government there, said on Wednesday that about 70 percent of those killed are women and children. The Gazan authorities never give breakdowns for how many of those killed are combatants. On Thursday, the ministry said the death toll was 20,057.

Israel claims it has killed some 7,000 Hamas fighters, but has not explained how it arrived at that number.

The toll in Gaza is expected to rise significantly when Palestinians are able to dig out of the vast destruction that the war has wrought. A Gazan government spokesman said Wednesday that in addition to the dead, 6,700 people are missing. Many are believed to still be buried in the rubble.

The U.S. said it could support a resolution that would call for more aid to enter the enclave.

Hostages’ relatives sue the international Red Cross for not visiting captives.
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“The likelihood is that many people who are missing under the rubble will be determined to have been killed,” said Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director for Human Rights Watch. For that reason, the death toll is “likely to increase even if the bombing were to stop today,” he added.

Gaza officials say thousands of people are still missing and presumed dead, believed to be buried under the rubble amid the vast destruction.

No independent organizations have been able to verify the Gaza death toll because of the difficulties of operating in the territory. And as the conflict has ground on, the casualty numbers have become more difficult to collect.

The Gaza Health Ministry compiles death toll data from the records of local hospitals and morgues, officials in the territory have said. But in recent weeks, the government media office said it had stepped in to help gather the figures after the Health Ministry’s facilities were bombed and 27 of the 36 hospitals in Gaza were rendered unusable by airstrikes amid an Israeli siege that has tightly restricted food, water, fuel and medicine from entering.

Frequent disruptions in communications caused by Israeli attacks on telecommunication towers, Israeli control of the enclave’s communication lines and fuel shortages have also made gathering information very difficult.

Mahmoud al-Farra, a spokesman for the government media office, said the people collecting the data had to make the most of the “available possibilities” amid the fighting. “It’s hard to count them because the number of martyrs is large,” he added.

An estimated 85 percent of Gaza’s population of more than 2 million have left their homes in an attempt to flee Israel’s airstrikes and ground invasion. Credit...Samar Abu Elouf for The New York Times
Throughout the war, the Gaza Health Ministry has released updated death tolls that have been called broadly reliable by the U.N., humanitarian groups and a study published this month in The Lancet, a British medical journal.

This month, when the ministry said the death toll had passed 15,000, some Israeli officials said they believed that figure to be roughly accurate. However, the Israeli military has also said the death toll reported in Gaza could not be trusted because the territory is run by Hamas.

On Oct. 26, the ministry released a list of the names and ID numbers of 6,747 people it said had been killed up to that point by Israeli bombing — an accounting that enhanced the credibility of its numbers.

The ministry’s staff includes many civil servants that predate the Hamas takeover of Gaza in 2007, and humanitarian groups have defended its record. They say it has a history of good faith reporting and has provided reliable information.

But the ministry came under criticism after an Oct. 17 explosion at Al-Ahli Arab Hospital in Gaza City, when the government almost instantaneously released casualty figures that ranged from 500 to 833 dead. Days later, it announced a final count of 471.

After the explosion, John F. Kirby, a White House spokesman, called the ministry “a front for Hamas,” and President Biden told reporters he had “no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed.”

Mr. Biden then added: “I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s the price of waging a war.”

Palestinians buried 111 bodies in a mass grave at a cemetery in Khan Younis, in southern Gaza, in November. The bodies were brought to Khan Younis from northern Gaza.

The war has posed myriad other complications for compiling accurate casualty counts.

An estimated 85 percent of Gaza’s population of more than two million have fled their homes, after Israel ordered the evacuation of much of the territory, to try to escape Israel’s airstrikes and ground invasion. Its largest population center, Gaza City, has been reduced to rubble. Thousands sleep on the street, and others live in overcrowded shelters that teem with disease.

There has been virtually no electricity for more than two months. Food and clean water are scarce. The U.N. says half the population is at risk of starvation, and 90 percent regularly go without food for a whole day.

Palestinians from the Abu Namous family searched for the freshly dug graves of their relatives who were killed and buried in the Deir al-Balah cemetery in November.

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib, a vocal critic of Hamas who grew up in Gaza but now lives in California, said Israeli airstrikes have so far killed more than 30 members of his family, including people in their 70s and cousins between the ages of 3 months and 9 years old.

Early in the war, he said, his childhood home was bombed, killing one young cousin. And last week, his aunt and uncle’s home was bombed, killing at least 31 people. Sitting in California, he watched video of their destroyed home on his phone. None of the people there were affiliated with Hamas, he said.

“It was a family home,” he said.

Iyad Abuheweila, Adam Sella and Isabel Kershner contributed reporting.
hightor
 
  1  
Fri 22 Dec, 2023 02:27 pm
@PoshSpice,
What's this have to do with rising fascism in the US?
 

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