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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
Real Music
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 02:03 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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The Prime Minister is elected by the Members of Parliament. (As is the German chancellor, and more countries with parliamentary systems.)

That sounds similar to the way our House of Representatives elects the Speaker of House.
Lash
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 02:07 pm
#DefundMIC
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 02:21 pm
@Real Music,
Real Music wrote:
That sounds similar to the way our House of Representatives elects the Speaker of House.
The president of the Bundestag ("speaker" of our parliament, ranked second after the Federal President and before the Federal Chancellor.) is elected so, too. - The chancellor is the head of the federal government of Germany and the commander in chief of the German Armed Forces during wartime.
izzythepush
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 03:51 pm
@Real Music,
It's called the mother of parliaments for a reason.
vikorr
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 04:18 pm
@Lash,
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The Democrat party just became obselete. Warmongering surveillance state Ministry of Disinformation.

Do you mean to say that a political party:
- presents a skewed version of events; and
- ignores anything inconvenient to its own narrative?

Something like you are currently doing constantly?

I have come to the conclusion that you can't honestly wonder why people are frustrated with you. You imply others are dishonest, ignorant, and blind...while ignoring/avoiding any issue that disagrees with your narrative (which is the exact same behaviour they would have to possess to be dishonest/ignorant/blind)
Real Music
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:23 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
1. You mention three different offices.

2. How do you elect The president of the Bundestag?

3. How do you elect the Federal President?

4. How do you elect the Federal Chancellor?

5. Are any of those offices elected directly by the citizens?
Real Music
 
  1  
Fri 6 Jan, 2023 06:38 pm
@izzythepush,
Is the (process) of passing laws similar to the ways laws are passed in the United States?
vikorr
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 07:26 pm
@Real Music,
Not sure why you don't just look up the answer for yourself.

In parliamentary systems that loosely follow the British model, people are elected, usually from parties, and the winning party then chooses leadership. In Australia for example, the Prime Minister is not actually elected by the people, nor is the Governor General (who sits in place of the King as head of state), nor the Speaker. England is similar. Germany appears somewhat similar. And it works.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Fri 6 Jan, 2023 10:40 pm
@vikorr,
Real Music wrote:
. How do you elect ...

vikorr wrote:
Not sure why you don't just look up the answer for yourself
Wikipedia has good articles about it.
Bundespräsident
Bundestagspräsident
Bundeskanzler
(All in English)
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 01:56 am
@Real Music,
Laws are drafted in the Commons, revised in the Lords and then sent back to the Commons before being signed into law by the King.

(When everything goes according to plan.)

There are differences, the Commons has primacy over the Lords and can ignore revisions after a few times.

The Commons is elected, the Lords appointed.
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izzythepush
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 01:57 am
@vikorr,
Britain and England are not the same.
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Lash
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 03:34 am
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

Quote:
The Democrat party just became obselete. Warmongering surveillance state Ministry of Disinformation.

Do you mean to say that a political party:
- presents a skewed version of events; and
- ignores anything inconvenient to its own narrative?
Lash wrote:
You just created that from whole cloth. You’d probably be better at characterizing your own beliefs rather than trying to guess those of others.

Something like you are currently doing constantly?
Lash wrote:
Incorrect. After a few years of nothing but intellectually dishonest avoidance of the content of my posts, I’ve lost interest in chasing behind those bad faith diversions from my content. I choose to post my content and nothing more.

I have come to the conclusion that you can't honestly wonder why people are frustrated with you.
Lash wrote:
I don’t wonder anything about people here.

blatham
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 05:18 am
Here is a nation and political culture increasing the speed of it's descent towards fascism.
Quote:
Israel’s far right hits ground running, and ripple effects are already being felt

Glancing up and staring directly into the camera, the suspect who broke into the centuries-old Jerusalem cemetery appears to spot the CCTV equipment recording his hate crime. Seemingly unfazed, he looks down again, focusing on the task at hand – pushing over a stone cross and smashing it to pieces.

The two young males who vandalised more than 30 Christian graves last weekend showed little concern about hiding their identities while carrying out a religiously motivated attack. They did not cover their faces as they systematically destroyed headstones on a bright Sunday afternoon in the heart of the holy city. Such is the confidence with which the suspects, believed to be teenage Israeli extremists arrested on Friday, now operate.

And why not operate with confidence? The new ultranationalist religious rulers of Israel, sworn in just days before, include people who share their view of Jewish supremacy. One cabinet minister, Itamar Ben-Gvir, made his name as an ideological firebrand lawyer defending exactly the same sort of far-right Jewish settlers who have conducted similar attacks against Palestinian Christians and Muslims. Now he oversees the very institution that is supposed to prevent such crimes – the police.

There’s a “ripple effect” of a hard-right government coming to power, said the former Palestinian peace negotiator Diana Buttu. “The fact that they desecrated those graves, it’s not coming out of the blue – it’s because they can.”

Israel’s new government is the most far-right in the country’s relatively short history, and it has hit the ground running. In little more than a week, the administration has made moves towards the largest expulsion of Palestinians from the West Bank since the occupation began. It has allowed the hardline minister Ben-Gvir to stage a provocative visit to a sacred mosque compound – an act that has previously led to an intifada. It has announced a plan to gut the judiciary, which, despite already leaning to the hard right, is still seen as a thorn in the side of Israeli politicians who want direct control of Palestinian and Israeli life, with no checks.

All this was made possible because political survivor Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s longest-serving leader, made deals with politicians once seen as radicals. He needed them to form a coalition government, and in the process, he mainstreamed the far right.

Israel’s politics has not suddenly lurched to ideological extremes. In big picture terms, Ben-Gvir and other settlers in the new government share the same goals as Netanyahu, and even many of Israel’s self-proclaimed centrist and leftwing politicians: ultimate control in perpetuity.

In a tweet in Hebrew, Netanyahu made very clear the ideological pillars of the new administration. “The Jewish people have an exclusive and unquestionable right to all areas of the Land of Israel,” he wrote. “The government will promote and develop settlement in all parts of the Land of Israel,” he added, including the occupied West Bank...
HERE
Lash
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 12:12 pm
Israel sucks balls.

I despise much more what they do to Palestinian people than to stones.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 12:48 pm
@Lash,
When it suits you.
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Lash
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 12:53 pm
The last release of Twitter Files proved what a lot of us believed from the beginning of the Russia hoax—it was created by US government agencies.

Aaron Matè
.@mtaibbi joins me to discuss how Twitter was pressured to validate the Russiagate scam:
Dems DEMANDED Twitter Find Phony Russiagate Evidence!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWleLq4h4qk

The evidence is free for anyone to see on Twitter, Matt Taibbi’s account.



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Lash
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 01:09 pm
https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1610372352872783872?s=46&t=sJV6esphkZUoku816IVByA

Latest Twitter Files
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hightor
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 01:49 pm
DID RUSSIA INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION?


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blatham
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 03:06 pm
@hightor,
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Regardless of whether or not Russia’s covert influence campaign directly attributed to Trump’s electoral victory, its very existence has served to further the Kremlin’s long-term strategic goal of undermining public trust in the democratic system.

Yes. And I'll add that undermining trust in Western news media is a facet of this campaign even if it has also been a strategy long utilized by America's right (Eric Alterman's What Liberal Media remains one of the best books I've read on this subject).

Over the last year or two, as I've mentioned previously, I have been following the Facebook pages of Canada's media giant, Global. I don't have the tech savvy to assert with certainty this or that account is a bot or a fake account but behaviors are quite easy to identify. For sure, some posters are legitimate but as these people are swimming in a river of disinformation or misinformation they pick up behaviors they've seen elsewhere and duplicate it thus multiplying the effects of professional trolling operations.

Many news items posted on Global's FB site pass with no or few comments. But any news item which has content including Trudeau or BC's NDP government and/or their policies are immediately filled with troll posts. Likewise every news items on Covid, vaccines, the truckers' protests in Ottawa, the WHO or NATO or global warming/climate. Likewise any item on the war in Ukraine (Nazis and biolabs and Zelensky pocketing millions!) Right now, news coverage on California's massive rainfall plight get filled quickly with accusations that Global is conspiring to "misinform and frighten people" (actual quote from yesterday). It's really quite a cesspool of trolls and the many (mostly people with paltry educations) who have been profoundly influenced by bad actors in social media.

The goal of all disinformation is to make people stupid. It's clearly working.
hightor
 
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Sat 7 Jan, 2023 03:12 pm
@blatham,
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It's clearly working.


Yup...

Quote:
The last release of Twitter Files proved what a lot of us believed from the beginning of the Russia hoax—it was created by US government agencies.
 

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