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Rising fascism in the US

 
 
hightor
 
  3  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 02:05 pm
@glitterbag,
Nothingburger.

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The FBI paid Twitter millions of dollars to cover the costs of processing the agency's requests. "I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!" wrote someone with Twitter's Safety, Content, & Law Enforcement (SCALE) team in a February 2021 email, according to internal messages reported by journalist Michael Shellenberger today.

"In 2019 SCALE instituted a reimbursement program for our legal process response from the FBI," explained the email, whose author is redacted. "Prior to the start of the program, Twitter chose not to collect under this statutory right of reimbursement for the time spent processing requests from the FBI."

The internal email was reported as part of an ongoing project known as the Twitter Files, in which new Twitter CEO Elon Musk gave a small group of journalists access to a trove of internal communications and documents on the condition that stories derived from this material be reported on Twitter first. Reason's Robby Soave has written about previous installments of the Twitter Files here, here, here, and here.

Shellenberger's new installment centers on Twitter's decision to temporarily block a New York Post story about Hunter Biden just before the 2020 election. This was also the subject of the first Twitter Files thread, from Matt Taibbi.

Among other things, the new thread details how Trump-era FBI and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) warnings about potential foreign meddling in the 2020 election drove excessive caution from Twitter officials when the Hunter Biden story first came out.

"Given the SEVERE risks here and lessons of 2016, we're erring on the side of including a warning and preventing this content from being amplified," Twitter's former head of Trust and Safety Yoel Roth wrote in an internal Google Doc discussion about the Post story.

Emails and documents explaining Twitter deliberations here are interesting—though hardly the sort of smoking guns many on the right are making them out to be. Taken all together, they showcase a company trying hard to balance competing concerns, including free speech, electoral integrity, national security, freedom of the press, public relations, and lawmaker demands, sometimes acquiescing to and sometimes pushing back against government requests.

21. Despite Twitter's pushback, the FBI repeatedly requests information from Twitter that Twitter has already made clear it will not share outside of normal legal channels. pic.twitter.com/WyI03iZ0WF

— Michael Shellenberger (@ShellenbergerMD) December 19, 2022

Twitter's internal communications do not suggest a company itching to tilt the 2020 election or to benefit Joe Biden but one still reeling from accusations of aiding Russian trolls during the 2016 election and facing immense pressure from government forces not to let it happen again. Twitter ultimately made the wrong call in suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story on the grounds that it may stem from hacked materials, but it was also an understandable mistake (and one quickly corrected) given the totality of the circumstances.

If there are real villains here, it's FBI and DHS agents excessively vigilant about potential foreign propaganda in 2020 and overzealous about countering election-related misinformation. But given everything that happened on this front in 2016—the (relatively pathetic) attempts at a Russian influence campaign and the subsequent years of hysteria about it—it's not terribly surprising that authorities were on high alert. And warning social media companies to be on high alert, too, is actually pretty far down on the list of damning things these agencies do.

There's been ample insinuation that these agencies were politically motivated. But all of this was happening at a time when President Donald Trump was in power and his people were running DHS and the FBI. Rather than agencies intent on swaying the 2020 election for Biden, their actions seem like run-of-the-mill paranoia and attempts at control.


This brings us back to the FBI. In the last installment of the Twitter Files, Matt Taibbi reported on some of the agency's content moderation requests, many of which were related to potential election misinformation. Twitter looked into the flagged tweets and accounts, sometimes complying with the FBI and sometimes not.

"It's not that this information was totally unsuspected," as my colleague Robby Soave wrote about Taibbi's last thread. "It was already abundantly clear that government officials were in regular communication with social media companies and flagging content for moderation. But it's useful to see the scale of that interaction as well as some specific examples. The extent to which Big Tech and Big Government are working in tandem to crack down on dissent, contrarianism, and even humor is frankly disturbing."

The same could be said about Shellenberger's latest installment, with perhaps the exception of the FBI payout.

The money seems to be related to FBI requests for Twitter data.*

Federal law grants government entities the right to access, with a court order, certain stored communications from "electronic communication service" providers. These are known as 2703(d) requests. To get a court order, the government must show that there are "reasonable grounds to believe that the contents of a wire or electronic communication, or the records or other information sought, are relevant and material to an ongoing criminal investigation."

Federal law also states that "a governmental entity obtaining the contents of communications, records, or other information" allowed under 2703 and related statutes "shall pay to the person or entity assembling or providing such information a fee for reimbursement for such costs as are reasonably necessary and which have been directly incurred in searching for, assembling, reproducing, or otherwise providing such information."

Twitter's "Guidelines for law enforcement" state under a section titled "Cost reimbursement" that "Twitter may seek reimbursement for costs associated with information produced pursuant to legal process and as permitted by law (e.g., under 18 U.S.C. §2706)."

Shellenberger's latest Twitter Files do not contain any more information than the one email about the reimbursement program, bringing up many more questions than it answers. Processing what kind of requests? Which other companies are being reimbursed? To the tune of how much? For how long? It doesn't say.

Meanwhile, Musk spun this revelation as "Government paid Twitter millions of dollars to censor info from the public."

But the reimbursement money does not seem to be related to FBI content moderation requests.


There are reasons to be concerned about 2703(d) requests and the way the government obtains social media data. But these are different concerns than those that Musk brings up.

reason
Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 03:19 pm
#BLUEAnon fooled up to the end. You’re going to choke on that nothingburger.
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Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 04:10 pm
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The FBI paid Twitter millions of dollars to cover the costs of processing the agency's requests. "I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!"


The ‘FBI agency’ requested that Twitter censor people that challenged the Democrat narrative—and the agency requested that Twitter suppressed Hunter Biden’s laptop. In complying with the FBI’s requests, Twitter went along with the FBI’s lie that the laptop was [wait for it!!] RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION!!

You’ve been jolly rogered.

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vikorr
 
  3  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 04:27 pm
@Lash,
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The great lie about Russian bot / ‘misinformation’ was a brilliant boogeyman created by the DNC / FBI to cover for almost any crime they had on the planning table.

As a Republican-leaning voter
For clarification - Are you saying you believe the FBI is an extension of the Democratic Party? And that the FBI plan frauds to cover up their other crimes?

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Admittedly, I think Americans are absolutely nuts for how they tend to treat their preferred political parties as God vs Satan battles (particularly the part where they treat their party as akin to God), so it wouldn't surprise me if some of the Executive officers of the FBI would misbehave for their party, but something like the above takes a lot of manpower (ie. too many people would know), a lot of technical expertise (so not just the political elite of the FBI), and would leave a lot of metadata. ie. It's a foolproof way to not just get caught, not just get fired, not just jailed and lose everything you have... but also a foolproof way to get reviled by the American public - on both sides of your politics.

Now the evidence being created, and then referred to the FBI, which then triggers an investigation that ultimately was severely flawed. Something like that would be more credible than lots of career law enforcement officers collaborating, knowing they were working with too many people to keep it secret, and knowing they were going to leave a trail and get caught, but all willing to throw their careers and lives away.
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In relation to the Twitter files, I came across this interesting article. It gave a very balanced view to my way to thinking.

As just one part of the article that shows the balance (but by far not the most important part)

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If you’re inclined to think Trump a singular threat that must be resisted — and you can point to the January 6 attacks as proof of your theory — then a major social media company banning him is more justifiable. But if you think the liberals at the social media company are themselves a major threat to speech, then the power they wielded in banning Trump may disquiet you.
Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 05:01 pm
@vikorr,
I don’t know when the alliance began, but based on all I’ve read and the primary documents I’ve seen, I believe that somewhere before Trump’s election, the FBI, DNC and likely additional agencies worked together only short of assassination to prevent him from being elected. Once elected, they continued to work together to do whatever possible to get him out of office as quickly as possible.

It wasn’t a group of rogue FBI agents. It was a huge department, focusing on suppressing speech unfavorable to democrats, the WH Covid narrative, and the pro-war narrative. It was their primary domestic priority.

I wasn’t convinced of this until I read the primary documents.
https://twitter.com/shellenbergermd/status/1604871630613753856?s=46&t=1JJ9XfefZ7op1pCFPgcfXA

Several other Twitter Files fill in more details.

I always thought the DNC just had friends in media who were like-minded who reported on them favorably. This level of corruption and undemocratic behavior has surprised me.
Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 05:08 pm
It just gets worse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63305382.amp

The Steele dossier, published by news website Buzzfeed 10 days before Mr Trump took office, made a number of explosive claims linking Mr Trump to the Kremlin - including that Russia had compromising material on the Republican candidate.

Mr Danchenko had reportedly worked with ex-British spy Christopher Steele on the dossier. He went on to become a paid informant for the FBI between 2017-20.

He appeared emotional as the verdict was read, and did not comment after the hearing.

Mr Steele, a former British spy, was hired to compile the dossier by Washington DC-based research firm Fusion GPS, which was itself retained by a law firm on behalf of Mr Trump's political opponents, Hillary Clinton, the Democratic candidate in the 2016 election, and the Democratic National Committee.
According to the federal indictment, a US-based public relations executive "who was a long-time participant in Democratic Party politics" was "a contributor of information" to the dossier.

Mr Danchenko, prosecutors alleged, lied to agents when he said he had never spoken with the executive - who he said he believed to be then-head of the Russian-American Chamber of Commerce Sergei Millian - about the dossier allegations.

Mr Danchenko was charged with lying to the FBI on five counts in 2017, "regarding the sources of certain information that he provided to a UK investigative firm".

On Friday, a judge in Alexandria, Virginia, dismissed one of the charges against Mr Danchenko, saying that the government had failed to present sufficient evidence of a crime.

The jury declared him not guilty on the remaining four charges on Tuesday.
On the witness stand, two FBI agents called by the prosecution described Mr Danchenko as honest, leading government lawyers to denounce the credibility of their own witnesses.

"He deserved more than to be exposed because a bunch of politicians put politics over national security," a lawyer for Mr Danchenko argued at his week-long trial.
As early as July 2016, US investigators began to examine whether there were any links between Mr Trump and the Kremlin in an operation known as Crossfire Hurricane. This led the following year to a major investigation headed by special counsel Robert Mueller.

All you need to know about Trump Russia story

The dossier was the basis for a wiretap on Trump adviser Carter Page. A former FBI lawyer, Kevin Clinesmith, who worked on the Carter Page case, later pleaded guilty to altering an email related to the surveillance application.
"The FBI surveilled a US citizen for nearly a year based on those lies," a lawyer for the government argued in court, in reference to Mr Page.

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Much more at the link.
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vikorr
 
  3  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 05:58 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
It wasn’t a group of rogue FBI agents. It was a huge department, focusing on suppressing speech unfavorable to democrats, the WH Covid narrative, and the pro-war narrative. It was their primary domestic priority.
So then, do you believe that everyone who applied to be an FBI agent was initially a democrat, or became a democrat after getting into the FBI? Because that is what this would require.

To be clear, I don't doubt that information suppression goes on, and even that it is extensive. What I do doubt is any theory that goes against human nature.

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I wasn’t convinced of this until I read the primary documents.
There were only a few primary documents on that feed. Most of them didn't say enough to come to any conclusion. I can say that the author was writing to a specific audience, and that there was a lot of information left out.

For example, in one part he suggests that the FBI was in constant contact with twitter, and provides Stats of 50 contacts in a 9 month period....but no real examples of what those contacts asked. Probably most of them were asking for the account holders details (if you are at all familiar with tracing 'who' is making a post).

Another was how he tried to write up the FBI's activity as nefarious while downplaying the FBI's concerns that Russia would again try to influence an election. Having attempted it during the previous election, any responsible law enforcement agency would ask themselves:
- what avenues can they influence the election through
- how do we determine if they are trying to do so
- how do we stop them if they are trying to do so
If you ask yourself these questions, then you can see how all of the activity starts making sense.

- The son of a presidential candidate 'accidentally' leaves his laptop behind AND doesn't have it password protected?

If I was in the FBI, I'd be suspicious too. I don't know what powers they have, but natural justice (if you are familiar with it) would dictate that a government agency doesn't release damaging information against a candidate in the lead up to an election without verifying its authenticity. That would take time, if at all possible.

As for Twitter debating whether or not his laptop files were hacked (and therefore whether or not to supress the post under their policy of not posting hacked information) - for that you have to look up the definition of hacking. Without going to too much effort, I found: "a hacker can be charged with a crime if they lack consent or any lawful authorization to enter another's computer system."

There were many, many other similar questions I had when reading through your link. I suggest the author was very biased in their presentation (given, most journalists are to a degree)
Lash
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 07:06 pm
@vikorr,
vikorr wrote:

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It wasn’t a group of rogue FBI agents. It was a huge department, focusing on suppressing speech unfavorable to democrats, the WH Covid narrative, and the pro-war narrative. It was their primary domestic priority.
So then, do you believe that everyone who applied to be an FBI agent was initially a democrat, or became a democrat after getting into the FBI? Because that is what this would require.
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No, that’s a silly question. When you’re a trained Secret Service agent, do you have to be a voting Democrat to serve a Democrat? You’re hired to do a job. When you’re told to surveill a person, you do it. The overriding domestic mission of the FBI became getting rid of Trump.



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I wasn’t convinced of this until I read the primary documents.
There were only a few primary documents on that feed. Most of them didn't say enough to come to any conclusion. I can say that the author was writing to a specific audience, and that there was a lot of information left out.
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Wonder if you read all Twitter Files.


For example, in one part he suggests that the FBI was in constant contact with twitter, and provides Stats of 50 contacts in a 9 month period....but no real examples of what those contacts asked. Probably most of them were asking for the account holders details (if you are at all familiar with tracing 'who' is making a post).
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Other files contain more information.


Another was how he tried to write up the FBI's activity as nefarious while downplaying the FBI's concerns that Russia would again try to influence an election.
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There was never any proof that Russia did any such thing and proof that FBI lions kept harassing Yoel Roth about Russian interference when Roth continually said there was none—in the context of those conversations—goes a long way in proving it never happened.


- The son of a presidential candidate 'accidentally' leaves his laptop behind AND doesn't have it password protected?
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You don’t think laptop technicians have the passwords needed to help them do their job—or can get into accounts??


If I was in the FBI, I'd be suspicious too. I don't know what powers they have, but natural justice (if you are familiar with it) would dictate that a government agency doesn't release damaging information against a candidate in the lead up to an election without verifying its authenticity. That would take time, if at all possible.
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Suppressing true information about people trying to become president of the United States is not a decision for the FBI in a free democratic society.


As for Twitter debating whether or not his laptop files were hacked (and therefore whether or not to supress the post under their policy of not posting hacked information) - for that you have to look up the definition of hacking. Without going to too much effort, I found: "a hacker can be charged with a crime if they lack consent or any lawful authorization to enter another's computer system."
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If you read the Twitter Files, you’ll see the receipt proving the FBI picked up the laptop from the repair shop. Reading the pertinent material will answer a lot of your questions.

glitterbag
 
  2  
Fri 23 Dec, 2022 10:34 pm
@Lash,
Lash wrote:

I’ve said many times where it is.


Good to know, thank you so much.
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vikorr
 
  2  
Sat 24 Dec, 2022 02:03 am
@Lash,
Quote:
No, that’s a silly question. When you’re a trained Secret Service agent, do you have to be a voting Democrat to serve a Democrat? You’re hired to do a job. When you’re told to surveill a person, you do it. The overriding domestic mission of the FBI became getting rid of Trump.
It is always a mistake to believe that all people in any governement department are conscienceless / arbitary / biased / etc. This type of thinking, for any idea, is always wrong.

Take a step back, and I'm pretty sure you'll find many people join law enforcement: 'to make the world a better & safer place'; actually believe in the rule of law; and further they are made to swear oaths to uphold the law (which includes the constitution) without fear or favour (or something similar).

So yes, it very, very much matters. People don't tend to be mindless robots when told to do things they know are wrong (particularly if it is sabotaging the party they support). Without due process, you would find internal 'leaks' by republican supporters, and even good conscience agents. Perhaps even with due process, if they believed it wrong, some would still leak information.

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Wonder if you read all Twitter Files.
Three things:
- this doesn't address the obvious bias in the writing style; and
- you make no argument against me saying the author was biased', and
- You said 'after reading the primary documents', then provided a link.... I read your link, which contained very obviously biased writing.

An an aside, I've also read other sites, and previously provided you with a link to a more balanced article.

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There was never any proof that Russia did any such thing and proof that FBI lions kept harassing Yoel Roth about Russian interference when Roth continually said there was none—in the context of those conversations—goes a long way in proving it never happened.
Is not an argument against the bias of the author you linked

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You don’t think laptop technicians have the passwords needed to help them do their job—or can get into accounts??
Two things:
- why would anyone do this to a laptop they found (without a vested interest in just one side of politics)?; and
- the person doing so is committing a crime

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Suppressing true information about people trying to become president of the United States is not a decision for the FBI in a free democratic society.
I agree. 2 Things:
- it wasn't about the person trying to become the president of the US
- your response avoids addressing the issue I raised (about natural justice / ensuring authenticity)

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If you read the Twitter Files, you’ll see the receipt proving the FBI picked up the laptop from the repair shop.
? This has nothing to do with what I wrote, which related to the grounds on which twitter suppressed the information, being their policy over not publishing hacked information.

I have a lot of time for many of your posts. To me, you appear to go out of your way to read alternative news, knowing that mainstream news sources produce biased and 'comfortable' news. To me, recognition of this is the first step towards not being a mindless slave to cultivated beliefs. However, all sources of viewpoint news/blogs etc tend to produce biased reporting.

For your responses here, I can only say that I find them disappointing.



vikorr
 
  2  
Sat 24 Dec, 2022 02:04 am
@vikorr,
Any reporting/viewpoints that:

- pretends an entire government department is a groupthink tank (ie. that it isn't made up of individual human beings, with all their thoughts on right & wrong)
- pretends people in a uniform are just a uniform (ie. aren't individual humans, with all that comes with being human)
- lumps all people with certain traits necessary to carry out a conspiracy

... are wrong.

A person consents to believing in biased reporting & biased views when they:

- don't ask the question 'is there context missing?'.
- don't ask 'does this vague claim actually say what I think it says?'
- don't ask 'what is the objective basis for this claim?'
- don't ask 'is there another perspective that would result in people doing this?'
- don't try to understand why something was done - from the human perspective of the individuals who carried out the actions (rather than the robotic 'the uniform' perspective) .
- accept that groups of people are just a uniform, or just a department (etc), rather than as a group of individuals making up the departments, who all have their own emotions, beliefs and drives
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 05:56 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
People who want to know the truth can find it easily now.
People who are afraid of the truth or unable to acknowledge that they’ve been fooled continue to hide from it.

Period.
The activists of Pussy Riot release a new video - against the war in Ukraine and for Western sanctions. The statement of a Russian prisoner of war serves as the refrain. ( "Don't watch TV," he says, meaning: don't trust the propaganda that portrays the war in Ukraine as a "special military operation" against "Nazis".)

Lash
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 06:01 am
@vikorr,
It is astonishing that you think you can speak to this subject when you haven’t even read the primary documents associated with the subject. Many of your errors and miscalculations would be cleared up if you had.
Lash
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 06:15 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter, can we consult Pussy Riot as a respected primary source now on all historical foreign policy questions, or just this one?
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https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

1. In negotiations with world leaders to soften Russia’s relationships with the rest of the world, Russia was promised that we’d stay off of their doorstep.
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Excerpt:
Washington D.C., December 12, 2017 – U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University (http://nsarchive.gwu.edu).
The documents show that multiple national leaders were considering and rejecting Central and Eastern European membership in NATO as of early 1990 and through 1991, that discussions of NATO in the context of German unification negotiations in 1990 were not at all narrowly limited to the status of East German territory, and that subsequent Soviet and Russian complaints about being misled about NATO expansion were founded in written contemporaneous memcons and telcons at the highest levels.
The documents reinforce former CIA Director Robert Gates’s criticism of “pressing ahead with expansion of NATO eastward [in the 1990s], when Gorbachev and others were led to believe that wouldn’t happen.”[1] The key phrase, buttressed by the documents, is “led to believe.”
President George H.W. Bush had assured Gorbachev during the Malta summit in December 1989 that the U.S. would not take advantage (“I have not jumped up and down on the Berlin Wall”) of the revolutions in Eastern Europe to harm Soviet interests; but neither Bush nor Gorbachev at that point (or for that matter, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl) expected so soon the collapse of East Germany or the speed of German unification.[2]
The first concrete assurances by Western leaders on NATO began on January 31, 1990, when West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher opened the bidding with a major public speech at Tutzing, in Bavaria, on German unification. The U.S. Embassy in Bonn (see Document 1) informed Washington that Genscher made clear “that the changes in Eastern Europe and the German unification process must not lead to an ‘impairment of Soviet security interests.’ Therefore, NATO should rule out an ‘expansion of its territory towards the east, i.e. moving it closer to the Soviet borders.’” The Bonn cable also noted Genscher’s proposal to leave the East German territory out of NATO military structures even in a unified Germany in NATO.[3]
This latter idea of special status for the GDR territory was codified in the final German unification treaty signed on September 12, 1990, by the Two-Plus-Four foreign ministers (see Document 25). The former idea about “closer to the Soviet borders” is written down not in treaties but in multiple memoranda of conversation between the Soviets and the highest-level Western interlocutors (Genscher, Kohl, Baker, Gates, Bush, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Major, Woerner, and others) offering assurances throughout 1990 and into 1991 about protecting Soviet security interests and including the USSR in new European security structures. The two issues were related but not the same. Subsequent analysis sometimes conflated the two and argued that the discussion did not involve all of Europe. The documents published below show clearly that it did.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 06:26 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Walter, can we consult Pussy Riot as a respected primary source now on all historical foreign policy questions, or just this one?
It depends on what Pussy Riot is the source for.
In any case, here it is the reference to a phone call as you've ("MAMA, DON'T WATCH TV / МАМА, НЕ СМОТРИ ТЕЛЕВИЗОР").
So it is even better than an "ordinary" secondary source since the original is used.

But this video certainly is an original, primary source source for an anti war song.
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Lash
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 06:30 am
2. The US under the guise of NATO breaks promises made to Gorbachev and begins putting weapons in Ukraine. Putin draws attention to the broken promise and warns he must take action to secure his country’s safety.
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https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/putin-warns-nato-and-u-s-that-ukraine-encroachment-is-a-red-line-for-russia-01638296934
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Excerpt:

Putin warns NATO and U.S. that Ukraine encroachment is a ‘red line’ for Russia
Published: Nov. 30, 2021 at 1:28 p.m. ET
By Associated Press

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken described it as a central element of the Russian playbook to manufacture a supposed provocation to justify an action it intended to take unilaterally

(The above subtitle is propaganda made more believable after *years* of blatant, unsubstantiated anti-Russian propaganda fed to the public on a daily basis by the government and the media—Lash)

MOSCOW (AP) — Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday sternly warned NATO against deploying its troops and weapons to Ukraine, saying it represents a red line for Russia and would trigger a strong response.

Commenting on Western concerns about Russia’s alleged intention to invade Ukraine, he said that Moscow is equally worried about NATO drills near its borders.

Context: Russia warned by U.S., NATO as military buildup stokes fear of Ukraine invasion

Speaking to participants of an online investment forum. Putin said that NATO’s eastward expansion has threatened Russia’s core security interests. He expressed concern that NATO could eventually use the Ukrainian territory to deploy missiles capable of reaching Moscow in just five minutes.

“The emergence of such threats represents a ‘red line’ for us,” Putin said. “I hope that it will not get to that and common sense and responsibility for their own countries and the global community will eventually prevail.”

He added that Russia has been forced to counter the growing threats by developing new hypersonic weapons.

“What should we do?” Putin said. “We would need to develop something similar to target those who threaten us. And we can do that even now.”

He said a new hypersonic missile that is set to enter service with the Russian navy early next year would be capable of reaching targets in comparable time.

“It would also need just five minutes to reach those who issue orders,” Putin said.
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Lash
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 07:36 am
Garland Nixon is a veteran progressive radio and television talk show host. He also currently serves on the ACLU's National Board. He has worked in the media since 1998 appearing on local radio and television in Baltimore, Washington DC, and national television in New York. He has made numerous appearances on NPR. Garland was a weekly panelist on the Fox Business News national TV show, "Follow The Money, with Eric Bolling." From 2010-2012. Garland currently hosts a weekly radio show on WPFW 89.3 FM in Washington DC and makes regular appearances as a Democratic strategist on the Fox News Channel. WPFW is a 50,000 watt FM Pacifica Network affiliate which presents programming focused on Jazz and progressive talk. Garland is known for his wit, positive energy, and unique perspectives.

https://youtu.be/ySIUgjT5YFU

Some people just follow the party line like dutiful soldiers in a small minded domestic popularity contest. Some people like Garland Nixon are unable to do that. Those people question narratives, look for evidence, and go where the truth leads them. Doubt that Garland will ever be asked to rep for the Dems again. Pretty sure he won’t be asked back to the partisan NPR. But he is a source of facts and opinion based on facts and history.

Walter Hinteler
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 08:20 am
@Lash,
Lash wrote:
Garland Nixon is a veteran progressive radio and television talk show host. He also currently serves on the ACLU's National Board.
And he's a journalist at Radio Sputnik, the audio element of the Russian government-owned Sputnik multimedia news service.
Lash
 
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Sat 24 Dec, 2022 08:33 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A lot of honest journalists who followed facts that led them to reveal crimes and misdemeanors by the DNC and / or FBI began to be suppressed and generally shat upon by the censored US state media—so they were happy to find a platform with RT.

A lot of them. They found a place to tell what they discovered.

These journalists didn’t lose their Pulitzer Prize-winning skills, foreign policy prowess, or research capabilities, or journalistic integrity— in fact, those attributes and skills helped them discover the truth and report it in the face of overpowering attacks and harm.
Walter Hinteler
 
  1  
Sat 24 Dec, 2022 08:45 am
@Lash,
In Germany, Sputnik (and other RT media) is known for fake-news. And the resulting consequences.
Examples: there is evidence that migrants in Germany raped hundreds of underage children, that Merkel congratulated an assassin, that Russian-Germans were deported with impunity, that Covid was an "Anglo-Saxon" plot to counter China ... ....

The channel has been banned in the EU since March 2022. (Reddit and YouTube blocked Sputnik and RT worldwide.)
 

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