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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
Blickers
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 12:28 am
@Builder,
I'm under no obligation to justify my schedule to you. Do you have anything to add this conversation, or are you just posting any thought which crosses your mind?
Builder
 
  -1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 12:31 am
@Blickers,
The important points have been made a long time before now, Blinkers.

For some strange reason, that escapes rational thinking people, you've decided that you're gonna stay up all night, maybe on the premise that you'll have the last word.

Knock yourself out. Go for it. Love your work.
Blickers
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 12:34 am
@Builder,
So far you haven't said jack about the subject.

But then, you get paid regardless, right?
Builder
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 12:43 am
@Blickers,
Yeah, double-figure salary. Getting a bit concerned that I'm worth it.

What do you reckon> ?
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revelette2
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 05:50 am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkZpCVxWgAA9mn7.jpg:large

source
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DrewDad
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 07:16 am
@Builder,
Builder wrote:
The DNC selection process is not democratic,

God, I'm tired of hearing this.

1) DNC != government. The DNC has it's own rules, and is following them. Bernie supporters are shocked, SHOCKED! I tell you, to find that johnny-come-latelies don't get to dictate what the rules should be.

2) Our govenment is not a true democracy. It's a representative democracy.


Get over it, already.
engineer
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 07:40 am
@DrewDad,
The humorous part is of all the parties, the Democratic Party is perhaps the most democratic. Sure, they still have caucuses which are not very democratic in the one person, one vote sense (although the ancient Greeks would completely recognize a community getting together to debate issues) and they have super delegates, but they don't do winner take all like the Republicans (Clinton would have crushed Sanders long ago under a Republican system) and they don't just hold a convention and pick who they want like the Libertarians and the Green Parties. (For all you Jill Stein fans, exactly how many primary votes did she get?)
snood
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 07:53 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Builder wrote:
The DNC selection process is not democratic,

God, I'm tired of hearing this.

1) DNC != government. The DNC has it's own rules, and is following them. Bernie supporters are shocked, SHOCKED! I tell you, to find that johnny-come-latelies don't get to dictate what the rules should be.

2) Our govenment is not a true democracy. It's a representative democracy.


Get over it, already.


Hear hear
Blickers
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 08:36 am
@engineer,
Quote engineer:
Quote:
For all you Jill Stein fans, exactly how many primary votes did she get?

I was wondering that myself. Right after all the posts saying they are going third party because they can't live with the concept of a voter having to join a party some small time before they actually vote in the party's primary. Especially since the open primary only came into being a couple of elections ago.
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engineer
 
  4  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 08:46 am
Time to Admit Hillary Clinton is an Extraordinarily Talented Politician.

Quote:
There is something about Clinton that makes it hard to appreciate the magnitude of her achievement. Or perhaps there is something about us that makes it hard to appreciate the magnitude of her achievement.

Perhaps, in ways we still do not fully appreciate, the reason no one has ever broken the glass ceiling in American politics is because it's really ******* hard to break. Before Clinton, no one even came close.

Whether you like Clinton or hate her — and plenty of Americans hate her — it's time to admit that the reason Clinton was the one to break it is because Clinton is actually really good at politics.

She's just good at politics in a way we haven't learned to appreciate.
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edgarblythe
 
  5  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 08:46 am
I concede that H Clinton or D Trump will be the next president. But my loyalty is to a cause and not a person. After B Sanders decides what to do, I will decide what to do. It does not involve voting for Clinton or Trump.
revelette2
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 08:48 am
@edgarblythe,
As is your right and for what it's worth, I respect you for it, respect you more for not voting for Trump. I don't understand a disgruntled Sander's supporter voting for Trump at all considering he is against everything Sanders has been talking about all election season with the sole exception of free trade.
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joefromchicago
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 09:19 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I concede that H Clinton or D Trump will be the next president. But my loyalty is to a cause and not a person. After B Sanders decides what to do, I will decide what to do. It does not involve voting for Clinton or Trump.

Amen, brother!
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snood
 
  1  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 09:26 am
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Lash
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 09:45 am
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57580e6fe4b0ced23ca6687b
Social media lights up for Bernie.
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edgarblythe
 
  4  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 09:47 am
Robert Reich
13 mins ·
The only thing I can think of doing this morning is to write a public note to my friend, Bernie Sanders:
Dear Bernie:
I don’t know what you’re going to do from here on, and I’m not going to advise you. I’m sure you’re as disappointed as are all of us who have supported you. The loss of California is a particularly hard blow.
But let me tell you this: You’ve already succeeded.
At the start they labeled you a “fringe” candidate – a 74-year-old, political Independent, Jewish, self-described democratic socialist, who stood zero chance against the Democratic political establishment, the mainstream media, and the moneyed interests.
Then you won 22 states.
And in almost every state – even in those you lost -- you won vast majorities of voters under 30, including a majority of young women and Latinos. And most voters under 45.
You have helped shape the next generation.
You’ve done it without SuperPACs or big money from corporations, Wall Street, and billionaires. You did it with small contributions from millions of us. You've shown it can be done without selling your soul or your conviction.
You’ve also inspired millions of us to get involved in politics -- and to fight the most important and basic of all fights on which all else depends: to reclaim our economy and democracy from the moneyed interests.
Your message – about the necessity of single-payer healthcare, free tuition at public universities, a $15 minimum wage, busting up the biggest Wall Street banks, taxing the financial speculation, expanding Social Security, imposing a tax on carbon, and getting big money out of politics – will shape the progressive agenda from here on.
Your courage in taking on the political establishment has emboldened millions of us to stand up and demand our voices be heard.
Regardless of what you decide to do now, you have ignited a movement that will fight onward. We will fight to put more progressives into the House and Senate. We will fight at the state level. We will organize for the 2020 presidential election.
We will not succumb to cynicism. We are in it for the long haul. We will never give up.
Thank you, Bernie.
Bob
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snood
 
  3  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 09:58 am
Hillary Clinton Made History, but Bernie Sanders Stubbornly Ignored It

And so, despite the crushing California results that rolled in for him on Tuesday night, despite the insurmountable delegate math and the growing pleas that he end his quest for the White House, Senator Bernie Sanders took to the stage in Santa Monica and basked, bragged and vowed to fight on.

In a speech of striking stubbornness, he ignored the history-making achievement of his Democratic rival, Hillary Clinton, who became the first woman in American history to clinch the presidential nomination of a major political party.

Mr. Sanders waited until 15 minutes into his speech to utter Mrs. Clinton’s name. He referred, almost in passing, to a telephone conversation in which he had congratulated her on her victories. At that, the crowd of more than 3,000 inside an aging airport hangar booed loudly. Mr. Sanders did little to discourage them.

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At almost every turn, he was grudging toward Mrs. Clinton, passing up a chance to issue the kind of lengthy salute that many, in and out of the Democratic Party, had expected and craved.

“It’s a blown opportunity to build bridges that are going to be extremely important in the fall,” said David Gergen, an adviser to four presidents, both Democratic and Republican. He worried that Mr. Sanders was becoming “a grumpy old man.”

[snip]

On Tuesday, she was effusive in her praise of Mr. Sanders and in her outreach to his supporters, mentioning him by name three times in her victory address in Brooklyn.

“Let there be no mistake,’’ she said. “Senator Sanders, his campaign, and the vigorous debate that we’ve had about how to raise incomes, reduce inequality, increase upward mobility have been very good for the Democratic Party and for America.’’


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/09/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.html?_r=0
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 10:01 am
How did she make history. She joins the ranks of women who have been heads of state for generations. She is still a poor choice for the job.
DrewDad
 
  4  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 10:04 am
@edgarblythe,
Need some ointment for that Bern?

"Sore loser" doesn't seem to be an adequate description.
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Blickers
 
  2  
Wed 8 Jun, 2016 10:04 am
@edgarblythe,
But those women were not heads of state for the leader of the world.
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