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@Blickers,

I think what makes averages difficult to analyze is the fact that the cost of living varies from location to location. It's my understanding that many Americans move down to Mexico where one can retire on social security very comfortably. That includes living in an American community with a maid.
I've been retired since 1998, and live in one of the most expensive locations in the US, Silicon Valley. Home prices here have gone through the roof. But we don't have any mortgage or lease payments, and our only fixed expenses are for utilities (we also have solar) and the upkeep of our cars. We have a housekeeper and gardener that keeps our home livable.
Since we saved from 15 to 20% of our income while we worked, we have no money worries. It helped that I was manager of finance for several small companies.

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@cicerone imposter,

You have talked of saving many times..

We, on the other hand, not spenders, barely made it year after year. I admit we went later on a credit card to italy a few times over some years. And then paid for it and paid sparely. I rarely bought anything there, or back home either. I almost got a book out of it, but other life matters intervened.

I am annoyed by your snotty take about people not being able to save over years and years. You write as a spoiled brat.

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@ossobuco,

I never realized that fiscal responsibility was called "spoiled brat." I studied hard, worked hard, and saved money.
We were very poor when young. Our home after WWII was a blanket partitioned room in a school room at the buddhist church in Sacramento when we came out of concentration camp. We had nothing, and our mother cared for four young children.
My older brother became an attorney, and worked for the state. My younger became a doctor, and my sister was an RN.
I'm now charged as being a spoiled brat. Wow!

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I never realized that fiscal responsibility was called "spoiled brat." I studied hard, worked hard, and saved money.

I can't speak for osso, but maybe the snottiness she's picking up is from an implication that if someone is struggling financially they must not have been responsible, or worked hard, or studied hard.

We've had this sort of discussion before. If I remember right, you sounded then (as now) as if you believe we live in a meritocracy.

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@cicerone imposter,

People have different lives with different circumstances. For instance my sister is single and childless. I have two grown daughters and two granddaughters. My sister didn't always make the wisest decisions and neither did I. However, she has no others who depend her, she is able to take more trips than me and my family. I don't begrudge it, I am happy for her and enjoy seeing her pictures of her being so happy. I am happy in other ways with my family. If everyone could make enough to save, why do we the need the government's help? You sound like a republican.

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@snood,

No. Only that the opportunities afforded us in this country is open to everyone. I also understand the discrimination suffered by blacks. As with all minorities in this country, not all achieve a good standard of living; even Japanese Americans.

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@revelette2,

I'm an Independent. I'm a fiscal conservative, but believe in universal health care.

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@cicerone imposter,

Please, it is not only discrimination, life just happens sometimes and then you need a helping hand. Through no fault of your own, you may get laid off. If you have a low wage job and children, it is very hard to make ends meet much less save for a rainy day.

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@revelette2,

Our mother raised four children without a father. We were a welfare family. I understand being poor. We lived it.

All my siblings knew what they wanted to do after high school. I had no plans. My grades were close to failing, and graduated with C's and D's. I loafed around for a couple of years before enlisting into the USAF. They assigned me to work with nuclear weapons. This was the impetus and motivation I needed to continue my education after my discharge from the air force. It took me six years to earn my degree, because I had makeup classes in English and math.
I graduated with a degree in Accounting, and went to work for Florsheim Shoe Company as a Field Auditor in the seven western states. After 3.5 years, they promoted me to Audit Manager. After my seven years with Florsheim, we moved back to California, and have worked in management positions for the remainder of my working career, and retired early.
You may arrive at any conclusion you wish.

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@cicerone imposter,

So you were welfare family? You acknowledge people need help to get through lean times? Then what are we arguing about?

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@cicerone imposter,

A. Opportunity is open to everyone.
B. Some are discriminated against.

I remember now what puzzled me....

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@revelette2,

I'm not the one arguing about anything.

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@snood,

You're still confused.
Click on this. You might learn something.: https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=discrimination+against+japanese+americans&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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@cicerone imposter,

Nah, I'm not confused. I think you just express yourself in a confusing way.

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@snood,

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I think you just express yourself in a confusing way.

You confirmed it for me; you are confused. My grammar is simple to understand.

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@cicerone imposter,

Have it your way. To each their own. You think I'm confused, I think you're sort of simple. Great to live in America - free to have an opinion.

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@snood,

It's called free speech. Good speech is simple so all can understand. My boss at Florsheim taught me that.

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@georgeob1,

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The statistics in your graph don't match the grossly over inflated rhetoric in your essay.

He never lets facts get in the way of story-telling. Like talking to a fence.

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A decrease of less than 2% in the average (or is it median) population over a 20 year period won't account for the change in medial incomes you are implying.

When he finds info that contradicts his last post, we're expected to just "pay attention" and "keep up". Right?

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More gorilla dust.

He's got enough peeps blowing hot air up his ass, so expect more of the same. ;-)

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@cicerone imposter,

So you're in Silicon Valley, CI?

Have you heard of this Basic Income social experiment?

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Y Combinator, a tech hub for young companies, is launching a pilot program that will grant a basic income to 100 Oakland residents for between six months to a year. Elizabeth Rhodes, the project's newly appointed research director for the project, told Motherboard that the tentative plan is to give participants between $1,000 and $2,000 a month.

The goal is simply to see what will happen — if they'll be happier, better off and more financially stable.

"In our pilot, the income will be unconditional; we're going to give it to participants for the duration of the study, no matter what," Y Combinator wrote on its company blog on Tuesday. "People will be able to volunteer, work, not work, move to another country — anything. We hope basic income promotes freedom, and we want to see how people experience that freedom."

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@Builder,

Another winner. George entirely missed the following sentence in my post:
Quote Blickers:

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Not to mention the fact that Americans live longer, so a larger percentage of the median household income is people on lesser retirement incomes and a smaller percentage is people during their working/high income years.

Got any answers, Builder? My post said there were two reasons the median household income went down, the smaller number of people in households today and the reason quoted. George harshly criticized because he figured that the first reason wouldn't do it alone, and ignored the second reason. This method impressed you so much that you decided to jump on the bandwagon too and totally ignored the second reason. Monkey see, monkey do.

When you come up with an answer for the second reason, let me know. I realize people like you and George are uncomfortable with people who go to the actual data and then draw their conclusions instead of being slaves to blog postings by others, but it really is permissible to check the facts first before posting. Honest.

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