I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

That may be true , that Hillary Clinton is no worse that Donald Trump, Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz. But, I think it makes my point.

I don't plan to vote for any of them.

It makes the case that she is better than all of them. Certainly more truthful.

Ditto for me.

The growth of the Islamic State in Libya is partly the result of the decision made in 2011by President Obama to topple dictator Moammar Gadhafi – a decision strongly advocated by his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, as well as by Senator Marco Rubio. - Robert Reich

I think you're both right. She is an unprincipled power and money -seeker and a liar as well.

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A fairly trivial collection, if you don't mind my saying so. She said she couldn't think of any Republicans she served with in the Senate who she didn't co-sponsor a bill with, and it turned out that she co-sponsored bills with "only" 80% of the them. Considering the increasingly right wing drift the Republican Party for the lat 15 years or so, I'm not going to hold such a trivial difference against her.

All the loons on the Republican side want to do away with Social Security as we know it, (except Trump), and Medicare as we know it, (including Trump). Hillary will oppose this vigorously. We let a Republican House and Republican Senate get rid of these bills and the Republican President signs in the changes, and say goodbye to those programs as we know them. To me, that is much much more important.

Trivial to you, but not everybody thinks like you do. Her lies hurt people.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AwrVlB9_I8FW6zIALgNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTBya2cwZmh2BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM1BHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--?qid=20080321062020AAh7Hu5&p=does%20hillary%27s%20lies%20affect%20her

Do I have to say this again? I don't like Hillary Clinton, who I think of as a reader of Macchiavelli, though, probably not. That's a big harsh, and I've long time distaste for manipulation, so sensitive to it.
My prime concern is re the court.
She's not as bad - likely - as my annoyance takes me to. The court matters, she gets my vote if that is how it is.


Me, I've a book on my shelf by Macchiavelli, Florentine Histories, but haven't read it. I read the intense stuff once in a while, but oft am lazy.

It matters now in spades since the republican Senate is going to try to extend the SC nomination to the next president. Dosent it make you democrats a little nervous that the republicans dont show any fear of Bernie to the degree of publicly backing him but being scared shytless of Hillary? For those of you who cant count if a republican is elected that will be 2 or 3 democrats to 5 or 6 republicans on the Supreme Court. They will make the corporations are people with the right to vote with their money look positively liberal compared to whats to come.

what? don't wash your clothes on me.

Not from me.

Not arguing.

Well CI, the link you gave took me to a discussion on Yahoo 8 years ago when Hillary was running against Obama, so I got a lot of emotional anti-Hillary posts and not much else. I pay less attention to candidates' inconsistencies than I do to what their actual plans are, what they will try to accomplish. I don't care too much that her husband had a consenting affair with a 23 year old college graduate and was less than forthcoming when questioned about it. I care much more that under her husband's leadership the country gained 16 Million Full Time jobs, and under his successor it gained 2 Million. This other stuff is all smokescreen, as far as I am concerned.

Another lie, but who's counting... (Millennials are.)

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/14/bernie-sanders-goes-carbon-neutral-as-hillary-clin/

Whose blaming Hillary for Bill's affairs?

Their consistency, or lack thereof, can be a predictor of whether or not they will even attempt to accomplish what they have promised.

There is a widespread notion that Democrats are wimps. In their eagerness to be accommodating, they give away too much. In their defense, they claim they are giving away the store only because they believe in advancing by increments. Chipping away at the social and economic injustices a delicate twerk here, a strategic retreat there. Bold visions are turned to pasty ones, to be viewed in a frame on the wall. So, they lose the legislature and state governments and yet they boast their increments are working. Disgusting.

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Really? You don't get that from all the talk about how the Clintons supposedly never have been honest, etc. ?

Republicans are working hard to take down Social Security and Medicare as we know it. The Democrats can stop them, mostly, on presidential years when they show up. If you put up a candidate the Republicans can tear apart during those presidential years, there is nothing to prevent the Republicans from doing away with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, minimum wage, and appointing right wing judges to the Supreme Court to get rid of the rest of the social safety net.

The Reagan generation is aging, the younger voters are not impressed by Republicans much. If you don't like Hillary, she will at least hold the fort on the safety net until the younger voters get to be a larger percentage of the electorate and expand these programs. Besides which, the Republicans can't run an economy to save their lives, I don't want yet another recession with the AM radio blaring, "The current recession is the result of fifty years of socialism the Democrats forced upon us!"

Oh, they're definitely trying to paint Hillary with Bill's affairs. They say she didn't stand with the women he had affairs with, and that she was against women because of her reactions to Bill's mess-ups.