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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
joefromchicago
 
  1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 12:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Joe, Didn't know you were a Canuk. When are you going to visit us on the West Coast? I'm not getting any younger, and I want to show you around.

I'd love to visit, but my current circumstances are not conducive to travel. But please feel free to come visit me anytime in my hometown of Toront ... er, I mean Chicago.
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joefromchicago
 
  5  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 12:39 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Evidently Joe faults them (or Hillary at least) for being too middle of the road in their central tendencies, as well as being excessively opportunistic and perhaps manipulative along the way.

No, that's not really the point. I won't vote for Clinton because, when she had the opportunity to vote against a criminal enterprise, a war that violated both international law and common sense, she chose instead expediency and pandering to the perceived popular opinion. That vote revealed a character flaw so profound that it disqualified her from ever holding the office of president - her belated, half-hearted, and thoroughly inadequate apology notwithstanding.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 12:47 pm
@joefromchicago,
I had many misgivings about Hillary, and you just hit the last nail in the coffin for my vote.
BTW, my wife and I are in Hawaii for nine days to warm our bones.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 12:50 pm
@joefromchicago,
I won't aargue with that. I have reached the same conclusion, but from another direction.
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edgarblythe
 
  4  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 01:11 pm
Joe for president.
georgeob1
 
  1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 01:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Enjoy yourselves Cicerone.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 01:32 pm
@georgeob1,
We are: Drove around the island yesterday. Was good to see old haunts, but Matsumoto shaved ice place has turned into a tourist zoo. We're trying to contact my cousin to meet with her, but she doesn't answer her phone. Hope she's okay.
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Sun 31 Jan, 2016 09:24 pm
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/01/vote-bernie-sanders-elections-hillary-clinton-160131095804384.html

I would happily vote for Sanders in the primaries and hope he will beat Hillary Clinton and all her Republican cohorts and become the next US president. But even if he does not, there is no snowball chance in hell I would vote for Hillary "Margaret Thatcher" Clinton, who I,in fact, consider an infinitely more dangerous warmonger than all those hot-air crackpot Republicans put together.

Hillary Clinton and her husband are master practitioners of that statecraft. They will sail through any legislation that will facilitate dropping more bombs on brown and black people around the world ...



The lunatic Republicans are political non-entities and have no clue how to navigate legislations through Congress. Hillary Clinton and her husband are master practitioners of that statecraft. They will sail through any legislation that will facilitate dropping more bombs on brown and black people around the world and could not care less if their liberal domestic agenda are stonewalled in the Congress.

It is a point of astonishing liberal hypocrisy to ignore that fact and vote for Clinton (because she is against BDS and an ardent Zionist) on the pretense that a vote for her is a vote against Republicans.

The US is first and foremost an empire built on the fragile illusion of a republic. Billions of human beings around the globe have every reason to be scared witless of a vicious imperialist presidency of Hillary Clinton.

If liberal Zionists who, with identical logic, oppose the BDS and vote for Hillary Clinton, want to sustain the illusions of that republic over the deadly fact of that empire, it is, of course, their choice. But the tired old cliche of voting for Clinton by way of voting against the Republicans, fortunately, does not wash any more.

Democratic limits of an empire

Sanders, to be sure, is not going to be the Salvador Allende, Hugo Chavez, or even Jeremy Corbyn or Alexis Tsipras of the United States. This fact has nothing to do with him, but with the empire in which he wants to become president.

There are structural limitations that would make such a possibility entirely improbable. This fact extends not just to his chance of winning this presidential election, but even more seriously to what he can do as the president of a belligerent warmongering empire.


Democratic presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton [AP]
Be that as it may, a vote for Sanders is a vote for the historic unfolding of a noble struggle within the US as a fragile republic that has appeared in the Civil Rights and Anti-War movement in the 1960s; in the anti-Iraq war rallies in 2000s; in the Occupy movement in the 2010s; and now, in rallying behind Sanders in 2016 presidential election - as it has historically been around Ralph Nader in many other such elections.

This movement is weak, feeble, and has never achieved a critical mass, and the presidential campaign and eight-year presidency of Obama have done everything to destroy it.

But it is a streak of hope that has a modest catalytic effect on the rest of US politics.

ALSO READ: Noam Chomsky: Bernie Sanders has the best policies

The liberal Zionist opponents of the BDS who are jumping on the bandwagon of Hillary Clinton with the poor excuse of an argument that Sanders is not electable, or that voting for Clinton is a vote against Republicans, is a fundamental betrayal of the very thrust of that defiance.


Sanders is as real as it gets. Clinton is as fake and phony and corrupt as can be. Sanders is the last surviving antithesis of the dominant US politics. Clinton is the embodiment of its deepest layers of corporate corruption.

Voting for Sanders, in the end, is also a matter of profound personal choice for me. This is the first and the last time in my life and in any presidential election that I can actually vote for an unabashedly Jewish socialist New Yorker, the last of an endangered species, who bravely flaunts his Brooklyn accent, who looks like a retired university professor, who, like my four children, is the first generation offspring of an emigre, and yet, he is actually older than me!

Hamid Dabashi is Hagop Kevorkian Professor of Iranian Studies and Comparative Literature at Columbia University in New York.

The views expressed in this article are the author's own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial policy.

Source: Al Jazeera


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roger
 
  1  
Sun 31 Jan, 2016 09:42 pm
@Foofie,
Oh. Thanks for taking the time to post, for whatever that was worth.
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ossobuco
 
  2  
Sun 31 Jan, 2016 10:45 pm
@edgarblythe,
That would be fine.. Joe for President, I mean.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 12:00 am
@ossobuco,
Update on Hawaii: Met with my cousin for lunch. We're now home and freezing our buns; it's cold here! Looking forward to my trip to Cuba with my buddy in March to warm up the bones again.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  4  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:21 pm
I must say that the growing animosity towards Hillary Clinton and her campaign that I find here and elsewhere has restored some of my former respect for liberals.

As with georgeobi, conservatives have reached this animosity by a somewhat different path, but there seems to be agreement among the liberals and conservatives who can't abide Clinton that she is an unprincipled, neurotically ambitious individual who is likely to do just about anything to secure personal gain whether it be financial or political.

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the most ideological and idealistic of liberals have turned against Clinton. Those who remain on board the tired, brittle and leaking SS Hillary, it seems to me, are motivated, largely, by a perverse combination of nostalgia for the Bill Clinton years and a sense that Hillary has earned her place in the Oval Office for enduring the humiliation visited upon her by her philandering spouse, and remaining loyal to the cad.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:39 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I don't see it that way: Hillary is a liar. She can't be trusted.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:53 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I don't see it that way: Hillary is a liar. She can't be trusted.


I'll accept that.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Hillary's lies:
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/
georgeob1
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 08:58 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Does Parados know that stuff?? He says it is all a conspiracy of "the right" to lie about the Clintons.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 09:02 pm
@georgeob1,
Ask him.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 09:08 pm
@cicerone imposter,
About Hillary:
Quote:
There will be personal and ethical questions. She backtracked from her assertion — in response to a question about her big-money speeches to vested interests — that she and her husband were “broke” when they left the White House. She hasn’t explained why she still needs to get $200,000 for a speech to Goldman Sachs Group now that the couple is worth as much as $50 million.
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georgeob1
 
  2  
Mon 1 Feb, 2016 10:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No way. He might answer with yet another stupid, annoying post.
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parados
 
  2  
Tue 2 Feb, 2016 12:20 am
@georgeob1,
Of course Hillary has told untruths. Everyone does. The interesting thing about that list is it doesn't include any of the "scandals" she has been accused of as being truthful. The "scandals" have all been pretty much a load of BS as I said.


Do a comparison of Hillary vs the leading GOP candidates when it comes to lies:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/marco-rubio/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/ted-cruz/

 

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