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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
Lash
 
  2  
Sun 15 May, 2016 07:12 pm
@revelette2,
LOL! But you like the way the Clintons manage affairs?
roger
 
  1  
Sun 15 May, 2016 07:19 pm
@Lash,
That's the benefit of experience. You get better at managing affairs with practice.
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Blickers
 
  5  
Sun 15 May, 2016 11:29 pm
@Debra Law,
Quote Debra Law:
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Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party are corrupt. Neither party serves the people, they both serve their corporate masters. The carefully crafted illusion of democracy in America has been destroyed. The curtain has been pulled back and we see the Great Oz doesn't exist. We see the levers and smokescreens that are manipulated to give us the false impression that "we the people" are in control when we're not. That is the evil we're protesting. Again, I won't vote for evil.

Maybe you should spend some time looking at real totalitarian places before you get caught up with popular hysteria. Here's an example:



As for me, I'm not buying the idea that there are no important choices worth voting for. I think preserving Social Security and Medicare in their present form is important. Medicaid too. I think Keynesian economics got us out of The Great Depression, not WWII like the conservatives try to claim, and the Democrats are Keynesians and Republicans are not. That's a big choice. If you, Lash and Ed want to celebrate your ideological purity while the country is run by an egotist wheeler dealer who thinks he can "deal" himself and the country into a better position without bothering to even know the first thing about governing, international affairs, or anything but how to publicize oneself into making money, go right ahead. But I will challenge you when you say that your position is a logical or sensible one. It clearly is not.
snood
 
  4  
Sun 15 May, 2016 11:35 pm
@Blickers,
Quote:
As for me, I'm not buying the idea that there are no important choices worth voting for. I think preserving Social Security and Medicare in their present form is important. Medicaid too. I think Keynesian economics got us out of The Great Depression, not WWII like the conservatives try to claim, and the Democrats are Keynesians and Republicans are not. That's a big choice. If you, Lash and Ed want to celebrate your ideological purity while the country is run by an egotist wheeler dealer who thinks he can "deal" himself and the country into a better position without bothering to even know the first thing about governing, international affairs, or anything but how to publicize oneself into making money, go right ahead. But I will challenge you when you say that your position is a logical or sensible one. It clearly is not.


Bravo, Blickers. Spot on. Not only not sensible, but stupidly self-centered.
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edgarblythe
 
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Mon 16 May, 2016 12:35 am
Here it comes -
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HILLARY CLINTON WANTS TO PUT BILL 'IN CHARGE' OF THE ECONOMY
Sunday, May 15, 2016 07:13PM
FORT MITCHELL, Kentucky -- Hillary Clinton has always made known that she wants Bill Clinton to have some kind of role in the White House should she become president, but over the past few weeks she's begun to reveal more about what exactly that would be.

During a campaign event in Fort Mitchell today, the Democratic presidential candidate was more blunt than ever about what her husband's role could be in a future Clinton administration - saying she plans to to put the former president "in charge of economic revitalization."

"My husband, who I'm going to put in charge of revitalizing the economy, cause you know he knows how to do it," Clinton told the crowd at an outdoor organizing rally. "And especially in places like coal country and inner cities and other parts of our country that have really been left out."

Clinton made similar remarks earlier this month during her first visit to Kentucky, a state where Bill Clinton remains popular among the largely white, working class voters.

"I've told my husband he's got to come out of retirement and be in charge of this because you know he's got more ideas a minute than anybody I know," she said, while talking about manufacturing and jobs.

Over the course of the campaign, Clinton has repeatedly said she would seek her husband's advice if she takes office.

Last month on ABC's "The View," she had this to say when asked about how she sees his role: "I think he'll, I hope he'll have a lot of involvement in starting the economy to really take off."

And last year, in an interview on MSNBC, she said this: "He's a great adviser and he knows as much about the economy and job creation as anyone I could talk to."
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Blickers
 
  1  
Mon 16 May, 2016 12:43 am
Quote Hillary:
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"My husband, who I'm going to put in charge of revitalizing the economy, cause you know he knows how to do it," Clinton told the crowd at an outdoor organizing rally. "


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DrewDad
 
  4  
Mon 16 May, 2016 08:54 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Apparently many people here did not get the memo, telling that doing the same thing the same way every time, even though it never gave satisfactory results in the past, will not give a differing result this time.

You mean like voting for a third-party candidate? Wink
Fil Albuquerque
 
  4  
Mon 16 May, 2016 09:45 am
Ppl can argue to their hearts content on all the good reasons to not vote Hillary, still, such option is half a vote in Trump. /Thread.
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edgarblythe
 
  2  
Mon 16 May, 2016 09:47 am
@DrewDad,
Like voting Democrat because they think you have no choice in the matter.
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CostaCoffeeBob
 
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Mon 16 May, 2016 10:13 am
@joefromchicago,
So - if the only two candidates for POTUS are Hilary Clinton and Donald Trum - who will make the best President, and who will look after the interests of the EUS and Western Allies?

Do we really want a strnge person such as Mr Trump charging around the White Hosue Oval Office like some later day old time gunslinger, and if he does become POTUS, will their be wiser heads there to restrain him from going all 'Dr Stranglove' on us all. The thought of Trump with his hands on the 'Big Red Button', and the comments that he comes out with is more than a bit worrying.

So - would Hilary Clinton be any abler, after all, she does have some experience of politics etc, whilst Donald Trump of "Trump Towers" has none, and is a bully and a blowhard!

Both of them come across as the 'scrappings off the bottom of the political barrel'
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Mon 16 May, 2016 10:26 am
Today’s Washington Post surveys Hillary Clinton’s weaknesses as a candidate that “may erode her prospects of defeating Donald Trump, including poor showings with young women, untrustworthiness, unlikability and a lackluster style on the stump. Supporters also worry that she is a conventional candidate in an unconventional election in which voters clearly favor renegades,” says the Post. Among other potential problems identified by supporters: “Clinton’s unpopularity with white men, questions about whether her family philanthropic foundation helped donors and friends, and lingering clouds from her tenure at the State Department, including her private email system, the Benghazi attacks in which four Americans were killed and her support for military intervention in Libya.”
Yet, given all this, the article never mentions the likelihood Bernie would do better against Trump.
edgarblythe
 
  1  
Mon 16 May, 2016 10:28 am

Robert Reich
8 hrs ·
I continue to be amazed at the crowds turning out for Bernie. Yesterday, over 2,000 came out in Peducah, Kentucky. Peducah, Kentucky! The same has been true this last week throughout Oregon. Young Oregonians are registering in record numbers. The major media aren't reporting any of this because they've written Bernie off. But the Bernie groundswell continues nonetheless.
Tomorrow’s primaries in Kentucky and Oregon are critical. Bernie is on a roll. Remember: It’s not over until it’s over.
Blickers
 
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Mon 16 May, 2016 11:00 am
@edgarblythe,
Fine by me. If Bernie wants to make this a horse race, let him go ahead. Drums up interest in the Democrats, and besides I like quite a few things about Bernie even though I voted for Hillary.

Quote edgar:
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Yet, given all this, the article never mentions the likelihood Bernie would do better against Trump.
That's because the Republicans purposely are NOT attacking Bernie to any major extent, while ratcheting up the pressure against Hillary. Republicans are desperate to get Bernie to run against in November. Yes, Bernie marched for Martin Luther King for equal rights back in the early sixties, (which, believe it or not, would be a bad mark against him for a fair percentage of Republican leaning voters), but there was also the Socialist Workers Party back then, Trotskyites, and a few other things. Mrs. Clinton brings with her obvious associations and philosophical links to two very successful Administrations, the first VERY popular, the second increasingly popular.

If I'm a Republican, Hillary brings electoral strengths I don't want to face in November.
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engineer
 
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Mon 16 May, 2016 11:02 am
@edgarblythe,
The Stigma of Openly Supporting Hillary Clinton

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Hillary Clinton spoke to a crowd of supporters in Los Angeles on Thursday, May 5. By all accounts, the atmosphere inside was initially warm and celebratory among the supporters gathered in the gymnasium of East Los Angeles College. But during Clinton’s speech, multiple anti-Clinton protesters were removed from the event after interrupting her, shouting and chanting while she was speaking. She ended her speech early due to these interruptions.

As they left the gymnasium, Clinton’s supporters were forced to walk through a gauntlet of harassment. Anti-Clinton protesters lined the gym’s exit on both sides, and as attendees left, they shouted obscenities at Clinton’s supporters. “F—- you!” one man screamed into a woman’s ear using a megaphone.

Witnesses report that protesters called female Clinton Supporters gendered slurs and suggested the supporters commit suicide. According to Twitter reports, one protester snatched a sign reading “We love you Madam Prez!” out of a little girl’s hands and tore it up in front of her —  Hillary had signed the poster herself. The protesters held signs reading “LIAR LIAR LIAR,” “HILLARY FOR PRISON,” and “BERNIE 2016.” Chants of “Bernie! Bernie! Bernie!” echoed through the gauntlet.

I’ve never experienced anything close to the level of verbal assault endured by the Clinton supporters in East LA, but I learned quickly in this primary season that if I openly support Hillary Clinton, I will be confronted. When I speak positively about her online, I can expect to be swiftly reprimanded and even shamed by people who support other candidates. People I’ve always had friendly relationships with have called my integrity into question because I support the candidate who best represents my political priorities.
edgarblythe
 
  0  
Mon 16 May, 2016 11:21 am
After all the dirty tricks the Democratic party, led by Hillary, have played against Sanders supporters, I am not surprised the anger shows this late in the game. I was not there to see all the details of the described event, but it was told with a pro Hillary slant, so I reserve judgement.
Blickers
 
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Mon 16 May, 2016 12:39 pm
@edgarblythe,
The Sanders campaign started out saying that the non-elected delegates was Hillary's dirty trick, even though they ended up going against her in 2008. Then the Sanders campaign said that they think the non-elected delegates in each state should vote the way the primary or caucus vote went. Bill Clinton agreed.

Now the Sanders campaign said that they are going after the non-elected delegates and it doesn't matter if Hillary won more elected delegates, Sanders is still going after them. So Sanders has come full circle. But you still think that Hillary was playing tricks on you, by doing what you came to do yourself, and so that justifies harassment and threats during party meetings. No wonder your side wins the caucuses.
revelette2
 
  2  
Mon 16 May, 2016 01:31 pm
Clinton leans on Democratic loyalists to gain upper hand in Kentucky primary
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There is little recent public polling in Kentucky, but the Clinton campaign hopes to benefit from a different political environment than the one that greeted her in nearby West Virginia, a state she lost last week by 15 points.

For instance, Kentucky will hold a closed primary, shutting out independents who have heavily favored Sanders in other contests.


The state’s moderate Democratic leanings may also favor Clinton. She has consistently performed well among Democrats — even in West Virginia, where she lost overall to Sanders but won 49 percent to 45 percent among those registered as Democrats.

“She’s a little more conservative,” said Sherry Baucom, 47, of Louisville, pausing to correct herself. “Not conservative — a little less liberal than Bernie.”

She added: “That’s how she’s going to win the state."

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Lash
 
  2  
Mon 16 May, 2016 02:13 pm
@engineer,
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/05/16/wire-actor-wendell-pierce-arrested-at-atlanta-hotel-cops-say.html

An actor physically attacks a female Bernie supporter.
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Lash
 
  1  
Mon 16 May, 2016 02:16 pm
@engineer,
The Stigma of Hating Hillary Because of Massive Anti-Democratic Cheating.

In your face cheating by Hillarybots cause people to hate Hillary.

http://usuncut.com/politics/the-nevada-caucus-is-a-complete-fiasco/
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Lash
 
  1  
Mon 16 May, 2016 02:18 pm
@engineer,
Hillary's supporters caught blatantly cheating.

http://usuncut.com/politics/clintons-campaign-just-got-busted-impersonating-union-nurses-in-nevada/
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