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I'll Never Vote for Hillary Clinton

 
 
layman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

No, he said "and some might be good people."

That's the wrong approach. You assume most people are good, and you vet people to make sure they don't have a criminal background before they are allowed to migrate to our country.

That's the approach we take in this country: you are innocent until proven guilty of a crime. We do not have a police state. We enjoy many freedoms in this country supported by a criminal justice system that works.


He wasn't talking about ANYBODY who submitted to "vetting," or anyone who was "allowed" (to use your words) to enter the country. He was talking about ipso facto criminals who entered our country illegally.

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Ceili
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:25 pm
@layman,
I have. Millions have done so, on repeat. The message is pretty clear.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:27 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

I have. Millions have done so, on repeat. The message is pretty clear.


Heh, OK.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:33 pm
@layman,
Quote:
FBI Director James Comey added in congressional testimony last month that “a number of people who were of serious concern” slipped through the screening of Iraq War refugees, including two arrested on terrorism-related charges. “There’s no doubt that was the product of a less than excellent vetting,” he said...


No human endeavor is 100% proof. The big issue is whether our country should allow refugees to come to our country. You don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Don't forget, we are all product of refugees. Refugees are necessary for our demographics both economically and population-wise.

White supremacist thinking is outdated, bigoted, and wrong. All the immigrants from different parts of the world made our country what it is today.

We attract the best and brightest from around the world to Silicon Valley where we live. It's the industry that helps our local economy in many ways, makes California one of the richest if it were a country, and helps to maintain and improve the health and well-being of not only the US, but around the world.

California has some of the best universities in the world; Stanford, CIT, Cal Berkeley, USC, Cal Poly, UCLA, and many others. Many students from around the world attend these universities. Many stay here to create new businesses.

layman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
"You don't throw out the baby with the bath water."

If the "baby" here is impoverished people who will be completely dependent upon government support, and the "bathwater" is the type of terrorist who will drive heavy trucks through large crowds, then I would say: "Hell, yeah, throw out the whole kit and caboodle."

There are other ways to grant humanitarian aid to those in need short of bringing them into this country.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 02:50 pm
@layman,
In this country, we assist "impoverished people." It's done through government programs and charitable organizations. That includes the handicapped, seniors, the unemployed, and children.
You always seem to emphasize the negatives, and you're wrong.

I speak from personal experience. Our mother raised four children alone, and we lived on government welfare.

All of my brothers and I served in the US military.
To make a long story short, my older brother became an attorney, and worked for the state. My younger brother became a doctor, and also served two terms in the state legislature. My sister was a nurse, and started a senior center in Hawaii. I got my degree in Accounting, and worked 88% of my working career in management positions.
layman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 03:03 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

In this country, we assist "impoverished people." It's done through government programs and charitable organizations. That includes the handicapped, seniors, the unemployed, and children.


Well, Al, look at your own introductory phrase ("in this country").

I agree with you, but how is that relevant? The people we're talking about aren't in our country. It is our duty to support all 6 billion people in the world that live in other countries, ya figure?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 25 Nov, 2016 03:37 pm
@layman,
Here, read this. You might learn something about our country.
https://www.state.gov/j/prm/ra/
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Builder
 
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Reply Sat 26 Nov, 2016 09:09 pm
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