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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 03:56 pm
@Blickers,
The biggest bust since Y2K.

I bought up a bunch of that stuff. When Y3K comes around I good as gold.
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 03:57 pm
@ehBeth,
Quote:
I'd honestly be surprised if they could handle a gun as well as I can.


I thinks its a wonder they haven't shot one another.
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 04:36 pm
The thread title was lifted off an early report, before anybody knew very much.
Blickers
 
  2  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 04:41 pm
@edgarblythe,
Nobody's blaming you for the 150 number, it was bandied around when the situation first started. Also, like I said in earlier post, I think a lot of the militia supporters got motel and hotel rooms and commuted to the preserve office, as well as spending a lot of time shooting their mouth off in town at meetings and barrooms.

Here's a right wing radio host talking a big meeting in the town, presumably with hundreds. I would guess that few of the militia supporters at the meeting were the local people, so most of the militia supporters must have been at the bird sanctuary only occasionally. By the way, she's from Florida. Where else?
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blatham
 
  2  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 05:18 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
They will be forced to cannibalism to survive.

I'm not supposed to talk about this but bums are as good as one might imagine.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
  -1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 09:00 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

I'd honestly be surprised if they could handle a gun as well as I can. Carrying a gun around doesn't mean anything.


Apparently you are one of the mockers of which I referenced. I would never want to see the actual result of your insulting one of these men to their faces, but if we could create some sort alternate-universe video where a cartoon simulacrum of you did, it would be very entertaining.

BTW, "handling a gun" is no extraordinary skill.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  0  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 09:02 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I like ehbeth and I would hate to see her try and mock one of these rough men to their faces. You, on the other hand...
ehBeth
 
  1  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 09:07 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
BTW, "handling a gun" is no extraordinary skill.


that's not what I was taught

or at least - gun handling is a skill, it's not just something you do
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ehBeth
 
  3  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 09:10 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
They're no big deal. I've worked with street people, bikers, miners, lumberjacks, lots of guys with balls too big for the room over the decades.

My appearance and style usually throws them off so they're not expecting what's going to happen when they have to deal with me.
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edgarblythe
 
  3  
Wed 27 Jan, 2016 09:13 pm
Don't disparage these criminals, people. You might hurt their feelings.
layman
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 12:41 am
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Ammon Bundy made an initial appearance in federal court in Portland, Oregon after he and seven others were arrested Tuesday during an incident with police that killed 1. In the statement, Bundy asked the federal government to allow the people remaining at the refuge to depart without being prosecuted. Addressing those still holding out, Bundy's statement said: "Please stand down. Go home and hug your families. This fight is now in the courts. Please go home."


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/27/arrests-death-brings-new-leadership-for-militia-group-in-oregon-standoff.html

What!? Purty obvious, aint it? The FBI has drugged Bundy. Probably water-boarded his ass too, know what I'm sayin?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:12 am
@edgarblythe,
News outlets have been letting on that there's more there than it really seems.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:17 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I mock tweeks like that here in central Texas pretty often. You should have seen quality of those "men" walking through town last year at the Klan march. Are you one of those "men", too?

Your nice guy patina sure wore off quickly.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:20 am
Not ending with a bang, but with a whimper.

Three more arrested in Oregon Standoff

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html

Eight people left the refuge on Wednesday. Three of them were arrested, including one of the new leaders of the group, Jason Patrick.

Each faces a federal felony count of conspiracy to impede officers of the United States from discharging their official duties through the use of force, intimidation or threats.

"All were in contact with the FBI, and each chose to turn himself into agents at a checkpoint outside the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge," an FBI statement said. "The arrests were without incident."
bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:30 am
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layman
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:39 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Not ending with a bang, but with a whimper.


Yeah, right, eh? Tryna take away all hope for seein some ACTION aint gunna work by tellin lies.

The very source you cite stresses, in the video, that this is far from over and that occupiers who aint leavin remain behind with explosives and night vision goggles. And the text says:

Quote:
Earlier the occupiers had told Oregon Public Broadcasting's John Sepulvado, who was reporting on refuge grounds, that they were prepared to die.

"I just spoke to the new leaders -- including Jason Patrick -- They say that 5-6 (people) had a meeting, and by consensus they decided to stay," Sepulvado wrote Wednesday morning on Twitter.


Nice try, eh?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  3  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 07:57 am
Where was the FBI during the armed standoff in Oregon? Out of sight, but listening and watching Oregon wildlife refuge occupation

http://www.trbimg.com/img-56a930d4/turbine/la-na-oregon-refuge-roadblocks-20160127/300/300x169

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A protester keeps watch this month during the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon. The FBI kept a low profile but monitored statements the protesters were making on social media and elsewhere. (Joe Raedle / Getty Images)
Nigel DuaraNigel DuaraContact Reporter

As the armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon dragged on for most of January, local law enforcement was spread thin and federal agents were nowhere to be seen.

Behind the quiet facade, however, the FBI was running surveillance on the occupation and recording the activists’ public statements, mostly drawn from media reports and the activists' use of social media, while FBI agents encouraged locals to report their experiences with the new strangers in town.

According to the allegations in an indictment and supporting affidavit, the FBI was collecting information that confirmed the occupiers were armed, angry and willing to die.
Three more arrests at Oregon refuge as some holdouts leave voluntarily
Three more arrests at Oregon refuge as some holdouts leave voluntarily

The court documents detail how a source told a Harney County sheriff’s officer that the protesters “had explosives, night vision goggles, and weapons and that if they didn't get the fight they wanted out there they would bring the fight to town.” The documents show that authorities grew concerned as the occupiers used increasingly heated rhetoric when discussing their plans and the occupation.

One activist, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, 55, was shot and killed Tuesday in an altercation between some of the occupiers and authorities. Ryan Bundy suffered a gunshot wound to his arm.

On Wednesday afternoon, U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie F. Beckerman unsealed the government’s criminal complaint against two brothers, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, and Jon Ritzheimer, as well as five others arrested in connection with the occupation.

All stand accused of conspiring to use threats, intimidation or force to stop federal officers from doing their duty, a charge also used against tax protesters Edward and Elaine Brown, a New Hampshire couple who holed up in their home in 2007 and engaged in an armed standoff with federal agents for months. It eventually ended peacefully with their arrest.

A significant amount of the FBI’s information used to charge Ammon Bundy came from an activist named Pete Santilli, who was living inside the refuge and broadcasting live his conversations with fellow activists.

To demonstrate a conspiracy, the government has a lower burden than it would with similar charges, such as aiding and abetting, or solicitation. A conspiracy charge in federal court does not require the underlying offense to have taken place, so prosecutors can charge the defendants based on their statements, without proving they actually committed a crime.

That is where Santilli’s broadcasts proved so useful to the FBI.

“We’re continuing the stand at the Malheur National Wildlife Reserve,” Ammon Bundy told Santilli in a conversation on Jan. 2, the day the occupation began. “Let everybody know that.”


Later, Bundy was recorded telling Santilli, “Malheur, Malheur,” at which point, the FBI affidavit says, Santilli nods and then introduces Bundy, who gives a speech.

At one point in a video, Santilli’s cameraman is recording Bundy speaking to another activist when the cameraman seems to realize he shouldn’t be broadcasting it. The cameraman steps away and bumps into someone. “I was trying to get away from that conversation,” he explains.

The charges filed Wednesday detail activists' behavior in the media and the behavior reported to the FBI by federal employees who said they endured threats from the protesters in town before the occupation.

One employee with the U.S. Bureau of Land Management, a prime target of the protesters, said Ritzheimer, an anti-Muslim activist who led an armed protest at a mosque last May, and another man accosted her in a grocery store for wearing a BLM shirt.

“When she turned around, the second individual shouted ‘you're BLM, you're BLM,’ at her,” FBI Special Agent Katherine Armstrong wrote in the affidavit.

“That person further stated to [the BLM employee] that they know what car she drives and would follow her home. He also stated he was going to burn [her] house down.”

Then activists began targeting her, she said. A vehicle matching one she saw Ritzheimer and the other man driving began to appear parked in front of her home and in front of her workplace, she said.

A week later, a white truck with a Confederate flag sticker in the rear window tailgated her and flashed its lights, the affidavit says.

The documents are also sprinkled with repeated references to the occupiers’ principle concerns—upholding the Constitution, protecting the rights of individuals and crushing socialism. It also quotes various protesters using social media to urge “good patriots” to join the occupation.

Twitter: @nigelduara
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Blickers
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:13 am
Wonder if this guy is one of the ones who meekly surrendered. That would be hilarious.

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Blickers
 
  2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:38 am
@edgarblythe,
Quote edgarblythe:
Quote:
Don't disparage these criminals, people. You might hurt their feelings.

I know, right? For Patriots facing the Dark Satanic Forces of the US Gummint, they sure are sensitive types. Take a look at this video starting at the one minute 20 seconds mark. Their spokesman is hurt that the FBI people there to try to get them out aren't being friendly anymore. How rude!



In most other countries their "standoff" would have lasted about two days before things got real bloody real fast. Oh wait, most other countries people don't arm themselves to the teeth and try to make bird sanctuaries their own private Fantasy Island.
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layman
 
  -2  
Thu 28 Jan, 2016 09:38 am
Like I done said, Bundy was drugged by the FBI, eh? Who would know better than his wife, I ask ya?:


Bundy’s wife Lisa, however, in a now-deleted post on the “Bundy Ranch” Facebook page, apparently questioned the authenticity of her husband’s statement.

The post, preserved by OPB’s Jon Sepulvado in a screenshot, read:
Quote:

ALERT! From Ammon’s wife, Lisa: Ammon would not have called for the patriots to leave. We have lost a life but we are not backing down. He didn’t spill his blood in vain! Hold your ground... Ranchers come and stand! Committee of Safety come and stand! Militia come and stand!


http://gawker.com/ammon-bundys-wife-apparently-tells-oregon-militia-to-h-1755622698
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