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Hundreds of Armed Right-Wing Militia Members Take Over Federal Building

 
 
layman
 
  2  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:31 pm
@Lash,
Back in the 60's a buncha Black Panther's descended on the capitol building in Sacramento, armed with shotguns, during a legislative session to get their point across. That was then quickly made illegal, as I recall.
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BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:32 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
occupied the Lincoln Memorial


The Lincoln Memorial is not the same as a building in the middle of nowhere.
Setanta
 
  1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:33 pm
"For their part, the militia have vowed to resist any law enforcement intervention with force."

Attributed to Ammon Bundy. I can't verify that he said this.
boomerang
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:35 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
If a band of frustrated Black-Lives-Matter activists had armed themselves and occupied the Lincoln Memorial on Martin Luther King Day, federal agents would not be as patient. The Feds are showing remarkable restraint in the Oregon case.


These guys are literally out in the middle of nowhere though. There's not much to do out there this time of year but be patient.
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farmerman
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:35 pm
@Setanta,
Just heqrd that Ammon turned himself in, in order to prevent further tension and possible violence
Setanta
 
  1  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:37 pm
@farmerman,
I'm listening to a report on this on CBC right now. I know the sheriff is not a happy camper. He's talking right now.
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layman
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:38 pm
These guys are obviously seeking an open confrontation. But I don't think they are by any means seeking a violent incident. They want to set an example of "standing up to government" and showing that "the people" can and should resist "unfair" government practices.

I don't think they plan to fire on any law enforcement agents that come around. That said, I don't think they plan to obey any orders to vacate, either. I think it's likely, however, that IF FIRED UPON they will return fire. But the government will have to initiate any armed conflict. That is very unlikely to happen, given past experience such as Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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Setanta
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:39 pm
The interviewer said the FBI is now moving in. The sheriff says he does not want to see an armed confrontation.
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Lash
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:39 pm
@blatham,
I'm interested too - in what you saw in that excerpt that makes him seem dangerous.
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blatham
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:41 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
So let me see if I understand this...Cruz says precisely the right thing

Those are the right words. Mind you, when the Nevada Bundy standoff with federal officials happened, Cruz said:
Quote:
“We should have a federal government protecting the liberty of the citizens,not using the jackboot of authoritarianism to come against the citizens.”
He blamed Obama for the turmoil. Then, when Bundy's racism became rather too toxic, he flipped.

And let's recall, that incident had militia with automatic weapons aimed at federal officials. That seems relevant.

boomerang
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:42 pm
@Lash,
So, rape by coercion isn't really rape.

Who is being coerced in this situation? Coerced to do what? To not set fires so that your grazing lease gets revoked?

Thomas
 
  2  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:47 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:
The Lincoln Memorial is not the same as a building in the middle of nowhere.

Fair enough. I'll change my hypothetical and have the Black-Lives-Matter people occupy Mount Rushmore then. That's in the middle of nowhere, too. Are you still expecting the same reaction?
layman
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:48 pm
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Federal authorities in a stand-off with armed, self-styled militiamen in eastern Oregon have been told to avoid a violent confrontation, in line with official U.S. policy after deadly clashes in the 1990s, said three Obama administration officials.

The FBI said in a statement issued on Sunday it is taking the lead in working to bring a peaceful solution to the situation at the Oregon refuge but declined to release specific information due to safety considerations.

The Oregon occupation differs from previous standoffs because the militants have occupied a public building, a tactic more commonly used by left-wing extremists, said Mark Pitcavage, who monitors extremist groups for the Anti-Defamation League.


http://www.trust.org/item/20160104230857-6z52d
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blatham
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:49 pm
Further to Finn and Lash...

We know Ted prays. We also know that Ted's mother kneels to lift her son up in prayer. For hours every day. Honest. Just click on this video link and begin at 1:30 and do, do watch his mother's eyes as he coaches her to tell this lie
http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/ted-cruz-campaign-ad/
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blatham
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:52 pm
@Thomas,
Quote:
Re: BillRM (Post 6101618)
BillRM wrote:
The Lincoln Memorial is not the same as a building in the middle of nowhere.

Fair enough. I'll change my hypothetical and have the Black-Lives-Matter people occupy Mount Rushmore then. That's in the middle of nowhere, too. Are you still expecting the same reaction?

Open-carry being permitted in that state, we'll note.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:54 pm
@blatham,
He evolved. Just like Obama and Clinton.
layman
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:55 pm
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Addressing reporters at the Malheur Wildlife Refuge, Ammon Bundy, the leader of the occupation, said the group believes the federal government had “gone beyond the boundaries of the Constitution” and pushed “people into poverty” by denying private ranchers full use of public lands.

“We have a lot of work to do to unwind the unconstitutional land transactions and unwind the land claims that the federal government hast on these lands,” Bundy said, adding that the group has chosen to call itself Citizens for Constitutional Freedom.

“We are not making demands,” Finimuc said. “We are here to work. These buildings here, they belong to Harney County, they belong to the state of Oregon. These are public lands. We’ve come here to restore these ranches. We would love to see the hundreds of ranchers who’ve lost their land return to their land.”

Bundy, said the family had been persecuted because they refused to sell their land to the federal government.

“This effort started by understanding that a ranching family in Harney County has been put under duress by several federal agencies,” Bundy told reporters. “Those agencies have desired for many years to acquire their ranch, and the Hammond family has refused to sell it, because they want to pass their ranch on to their children and grandchildren.”

“They don’t intend to come upon us,” Bundy said of law enforcement.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/militia-group-hoping-to-overthrow-government-occupies-buildi#.hjx6K5VjY
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blatham
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 05:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
And like his mother
Lash
 
  0  
Mon 4 Jan, 2016 06:01 pm
@boomerang,
You equated "taken" with "stolen."

My point is that many of the ranchers who've sold to the Fed over the last century were coerced, harassed, threatened with unwinnable lawsuits against an unbeatable opponent. Some truths and likely fractured truths that became myths boiled up in the ways ranchers deal with the BLM. Many ranchers claim the BLM's coercive strong-arm tactics to manipulate some landowners still happen - and that this type of behavior is part of the drama involving Bundys and Hammonds...

This seems analogous of black American historical chronology - More specifically, with people who think racism complaints should have ended with slavery. There is a long-standing relationship between the BLM and ranchers that is family lore to many and their lifeblood rests on these struggles and outcomes.

We might not be able to point to one moment in time and attribute behavior to it. It doesn't mean it's not life and death to them.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Mon 4 Jan, 2016 06:01 pm
@blatham,
Are you insulting the man's mother? Is nothing sacred to you progressives?
 

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