The rules are changing, we are going to start showing the assholes the door

Had Japan not surrendered and we progressed to invasion, the American casualties from the invasion were projected to equal all the casualties that we had sustained in WWII up to that point. So if Japan had kept refusing to surrender, Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have marked the halfway point of the war.

In fact, we still have Purple Heart medals minted in expectation of the invasion of Japan left to hand out to wounded soldiers. All of the casualties of the Korean and Vietnam Wars combined were not enough to exhaust the stockpile that we had built up just to deal with the invasion of Japan.

That is incorrect. There was no intent to harm civilians.

Hiroshima was a huge military center with tens of thousands of Japanese soldiers. Hiroshima Castle was the military headquarters in charge of repelling any invasion in the southern half of Japan.

The second A-bomb was meant for Kokura Arsenal, a massive (1250 meters by 610 meters) arms production complex. Due to wartime difficulties they were not able to strike that target and ended up dropping the bomb on an industrial zone north of Nagasaki, directly between the Mitsubishi Steel and Arms Works and the Mitsubishi Ordnance Works.

Before WWII, Pearl Harbor had been regarded as immune to air-dropped torpedoes because the water was so shallow that they would embed themselves into the mud. Japan had to invent special torpedoes in order to attack Pearl Harbor, and the Mitsubishi Ordnance Works was the place that designed and built those torpedoes.

The damage to the torpedo factory was most satisfactory.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060929120212/cfo.doe.gov/me70/manhattan/nagasaki.htm

When you feel like getting all Pope holy and pontificating for us, leave my name out of it.

I will write whatever I choose.

I think the historical facts clearly show otherwise. Check out the spot chosen to drop the A-Bomb in Nagasaki, for example. Sure, Truman got on the radio and said we had bombed a japanese naval base. But that's not where the bomb was aimed. It was aimed at a bridge in the center of the civilian population.

Call it terrorism, if you want. If it saved a million american lives at the expense of a couple hundred thousand japs, I'm cool with that. Even if was ten million japs, know what I'm sayin? There wasn't an American soldier, or any of their family members, alive who didn't cheer the A-bomb drop. You would have too, if you had been them.

Armchair moralists who want to condemn the bombings didn't have THEIR ass on the line, needless to say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki#Support_for_use_of_atomic_bombs

Dropping those bombs did a tremendous service for humanity, can't ya see?

Exactly. I have no qualms about pissing off a cheese-eater, but it aint something that requires any effort or intent to accomplish.

Just have a non-cheese-eating opinion and be willing to state it. You will naturally incur the eternal wrath of every cheese-eater in earshot. It's an innate response with them. You might even say it's the very thing that makes them a cheese-eater, ya know?

Well, unintended consequences doesn't mean unanticipated consequences.

True dat, Rog. It's all highly predictable, to be sure.

Trump is a good case in point.

Sure, he often deliberately provokes cheese-eaters, thereby inducing them to display their weakness for all to see.

But it make no difference what he says, or what his intentions, however sincere, are. The cheese-eaters will condemn every word he says, regardless.

Why, you might ask? Because he aint no cheese-eater, that's why.

In my case, for another example, I can do nothing more than quote, verbatim, a post that cheese-eaters have given 7 "upvotes" and simply add that I agree 100% The response to my post? 7 downvotes, without fail.

Never understood the taboo of civilian casualties in war. Civilians are the ones making the weapons and sending the military out to kill their opponents.

If I hire a hit man to off my wife, am I innocent just because I didn’t pull the trigger?

Exactly, Leddy. As the astute William Temcumseh Sherman once said: "War, it aint nuthin nice."

In Okinawa, Japanese women would throw all their kids off of cliffs before jumping themselves, babies in arms, rather than surrender. In the waning days of WWII virtually every japanese civilian was working to sustain and prolong the war effort, and they were ready to fight to the death in the event of an evasion. They would smoke your ass in a New York second, given half a chance.

Them kind just gotta go.

s'funny

I thought he was being self-referential.

Are you just asking for a friend?

Good point.

hahahahahahahahahahaha

well hunker down, i suspect you might be the next recipient of another tired reference such as "doth protest too much" or something similar men of a certain persuasion use because they think they will sound profound, wise or elegant.

Zup with alla yawl wimminz, anyways?

George is the smartest guy here. Ya gotta problem with that?

someone I read would have to quote it

Ha!!!!!

Sometimes I forget the times we live in.

Don't we all?