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US-American view on refugees

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 05:28 am
Yesterday's episode of The Current, CBC's weekday current events radio program, included a piece on "the Meatball wars," about ordinances being passed in Denmark requiring pork to be served in all meals prepared by certain public institutions. You can read a transcript of the story by clicking below:

Meatball War: Denmark seen as anti-refugee by mandating pork on menus
saab
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 07:03 am
@Setanta,
It is not a meatball war.
It is a frikadelle war. A frikadelle is shaped like a hamburger and in Scandinavia we make a big difference between meatballs and frikadeller.

In some ways I really understand what is happening in Randers.
In Sweden the schoolchildren get a warm meal and there is served, pork meat, chicken and vegetarian food. Something for everybody.
In some schools some Muslim parents did not want the pork meat to be served next to the rest of the food. OK rearranging the diningarea.
That was not good enough for some other parents in another school. The porkmeat had to be served in a seperate room or the Muslim children had to be served seperatly.

All of sudden some Swedes or Danes get all upset about maybe hurting the feelings of the newcomers or even people who have been living for decades in Scandinavia and start asking questions like can we serve pork meat?, do we really have to have churchbells ringing? should we not have men and women days at the swimmingpools?
It is not always the Muslims demanding things it is also Scandinavians being overly protectiv and afraid of being called racists or something else.

Bo Lidegaard is the editor of the daily newspaper Politiken and not the daily political newpaper - there are three large ones in Denmark and one is named Politiken.

Also, at the end of the war, Danish volunteers, together with Swedes and Norwegians arranged for the white bosses 1/ to collect prisoners from the German concentration camps and managed to save some 40,000 2/ Scandinavian men and women before they were obliterated in the camps.

Correction
Danish volunteers arranged for white busses not bosses.
Just in case some younger people think that there some racial discrimination going on.
As far as I can find they saved 6 000 Danes and 17 000 people all together.
That is about half of what is said in the article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Buses
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 07:57 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
A frikadelle is shaped like a hamburger and in Scandinavia we make a big difference between meatballs and frikadeller.
Not only in Scandinavia: the difference between 'meatballs' and 'frikadellen' was already known during the 30-years war here in Germany. (Some deputies in Münster complaint in 1648 that they got meatballs instead of Frikadellen.)
saab
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:01 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Was that a nasty Swede ordering them served instead of frikadellen.?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:07 am
@saab,
saab wrote:
In Sweden the schoolchildren get a warm meal and there is served, pork meat, chicken and vegetarian food. Something for everybody.
I've just looked the menu for the kindergartens and schools here: very similar, but more beef than pork. And children can have twice per week a vegan meal instead of the vegetarian.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 08:11 am
When i was a kid in school, we were just glad if we didn't see tuna casserole on the serving line. Our choice consisted of "eat it or don't."
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 4 Feb, 2016 01:59 pm
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:
apparently just over 15,000 have arrived since the election
Quote:
Germany registered close to 92,000 migrants in January, a number which represents less than half of November's level of more than 200,000. Among last month's total, some 35,822 people came from Syria while 18,563 came from Iraq and 18,099 from Afghanistan.
[...]
A changing development in refugee numbers could be a much-welcome trend for German Chancellor Angela Merkel's government. Support for her refugee policy has fallen sharply in recent months, with a recent poll showing that 81 percent of people believed her government did not have the current situation under control.
Merkel said the number of migrants entering Germany would fall after totaling 1.1 million people last year. Germany became the final destination for the vast majority of migrants who reached Europe in 2015, with the largest number of asylum seekers fleeing from war and conflict in Syria.
Merkel had recently announced that the majority of arrivals from "safe" countries of origin, including Tunisia, Algeria and Morocco, would be deported under expedited circumstances; however, asylum-seekers from North African countries only amount for a small fraction of all arrivals.
Source
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 5 Feb, 2016 03:29 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
It has been announced today that the administration (here: the Federal Office for Migration and Refugees) has the capacity to deal with 1,2 million refugees applying for asylum.
To verify this number: there are still 750,000 asylum seekers waiting for a decision (including cases at administration courts). So they are 'only' prepared to handle less than half a million new asylum seekers this year.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 06:31 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Sunday papers (and news sites) report that there are only slim asylum chances for 40 percent of the refugees in Germany.

The Frankfurter Allgemeine Sonntagszeitung quoted statistics from the EU's border agency (Frontex) indicating that only around 39 percent of the migrants coming were Syrians, compared to 69 percent last year.
Twenty-four percent were from Afghanistan, up from 18 percent ,and 25 percent from Iraq, compared to 8 percent in 2015. The rest were from North Africa and the Balkans.

Refugees coming from countries other than Syria have a lower chance of being recognized as asylum seekers, the report noted. Citizens of the Maghreb countries, including Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria, and the Balkan states are categorized as economic refugees. The German government is currently working on a law to designate some nations as safe regions and enable authorities to deport citizens from these countries more easily.
saab
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 08:12 am
@Walter Hinteler,
A law to deport - not a bad idea....but
what to do when the economic refugees have no papers or the countries they come from refuse to take them back?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 08:42 am
@saab,
We have those laws since ages. And since those days, these problems are known. (200,000 had to be deported in 2015.)
It's just populism on different level in my opinion.
saab
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 08:56 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I do not always understand the whole proceedure.
There are families who have gotten a job and are rather intergrated get after years deported and sometimes a child can stay.
On the other hand there are criminals who should get deported who can stay because the have a family member here and you should not be seperated from your family according to human rights.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 10:17 am
@saab,
I understand the legal background (here in Germany).
Since it is handled differently from state to state (and in the states, by every district's/city's aliens department), we get those results you wrote about above.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 10:29 am
I've just seen a video of a reporter in Cologne who was being filmed during a newscast who was groped on film, purportedly by a few German men.

What do you make of this??

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/europe/cologne-reporter-groped/
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 11:31 am
@Lash,
Karneval (carnival), that happened on AltweiberWeiberfastnacht ("old women"/"the women day").

That the number of criminal complaints has been a bit larger than last year has been explained by the police due to a higher sensibility due the events on New Year's Eve.

But this is hundred year old tradition - sexual offences (and others) happen there since hundreds of years. It is in my opinion not related to refugees. Not at all.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 12:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The official police record for Cologne notes that it was a "usual chaos", only the complaints about sexual offences was a bit higher.

Similar situation in the other carnival centres. (Due to the rain in most parts of Germany, the most offences happened indoor, in pubs, bars, tents etc)
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 12:39 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
As of 18 h local time today, there have been since Thursday (when the street carnival started) and now 400 criminal complaints in Cologne, including 40 sexual delicts - less than in the years before. Mainly due to the rather bad weather.
50% of the parade's in our tomorrow are cancelled until now, more to come, it is thought. All those, who want to go, do it 'reduced' [no horses, no large figures, no signs, no large carnival floats].
But again, this has nothing to do with refugees or asylum seekers.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 12:48 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Carnival starts on November 11, at 11:11h. Festivities and balls start after Christmas, the so-called 'hall-carnival'. The street carnival ("Straßenkarneval") begins on 'Fat Thursday'.
From wikipedia
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Carnival Thursday is called Altweiber (Old women day) in Düsseldorf or Wieverfastelovend (The women's day) in Cologne. This celebrates the beginning of the "female presence in carnival", which began in 1824, when washer-women celebrated a "workless day" on the Thursday before carnival. They founded a committee in 1824 to strengthen their presence in the still male-dominated carnival celebrations. In each city, a woman in black storms the city hall to get the "key" for the city-/townhalls from its mayor. In many places "fools" take over city halls or municipal government and "wild" women cut men's ties wherever they get hold of them. Also, as a tradition, women are allowed to kiss every man who passes their way. On the following days, there are parades in the street organized by the local carnival clubs. The highlight of the carnival period however is Rose Monday (Rosenmontag). Although Rose Monday is not an official holiday in the Rhineland, in practice most public life comes to a halt and almost all workplaces are closed. The biggest parades are on Rose Monday, the famous Rosenmontagsumzug (Rose Monday Parade), e.g. in Cologne, Düsseldorf, Mainz, and many other cities. During these events, hundreds of thousands of people celebrate in the streets, even if temperatures are low, most of them dressed up in costumes. Many regions have special carnival cries (Cologne, Bonn and Aachen: Alaaf!; Düsseldorf and Mainz: Helau!).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 7 Feb, 2016 01:31 pm
Only carnival I've been to was in Guadalajara. I've no criminal complaints, loved it. There were probably no refugees there that night, unless you'd call us californians such.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 8 Feb, 2016 03:13 pm
Cologne carnival: 'After New Year, there's even more reason to let our hair down'
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