Unfit for Command

The first case of anthrax after 9-11 (Bob Stevens) showed up within miles of where several hijackers stayed JUST BEFORE 9/11, a very unlikely coincidence considering that they could have stayed anywhere in the country.

The last previous case of anthrax in a human in the United States prior to 9-11 had been about 30 years prior to that.

There are other coincidences. For instance, the wife of the editor of the sun (where Stevens worked) also had contact with the hijackers in that she rented them the place they stayed.

Atta and the hijackers flew planes out of an airport in the vicinity and asked about crop dusters on more than one occasion. Indeed, Atta sought a loan to try and modify a crop duster.

Atta and several of the hijackers in this group also sought medical aid just prior to 9/11 for skin lesions that the doctors who saw them now say looked like anthrax lesions.

Basically, you either believe in the laws of probability or you don't. Anybody claiming that all these things were coincidences is either totally in denial or does not believe in modern mathematics and probability theory.


While the anthrax in question originally came from a US strain, it isn't too surprising that Iraq might have that strain since that strain was mailed to laboratories around the world years earlier.

Nonetheless, it was highly sophisticated, and went through envelope paper as if it weren't even there; many thought it to be not only beyond the capabilities of Hussein but of anybody else on the planet as well including us. Nonetheless, later information showed Husseins programs to be capable of such feats:


http://www.aim.org/publications/media_monitor/2004/01/01.html





Basically, the anthrax attack which followed 9/11 had Saddam Hussein's fingerprints all over it. It was particalized so finely it went right through envelop paper and yet was not weaponized (not hardened against antibiotics). It was basically a warning, saying as much as:




There is no way an American who had had anything to do with that would not be behind bars by now. In fact the one American they originally suspected told investigators that if he'd had anything to do with that stuff, he would either have anthrax or have the antibodies from the preventive medicine in his blood and offered to take a blood test on the spot. That of course was unanswerable.


The basic American notion of a presumption of innocence is not meaningful or useful in cases like that of Saddam Hussein. Even the Japanese had the decency to have their own markings on their aircraft at Pearl Harbor; Nobody had to guess who did it. Saddam Hussein, on the other hand, is like the kid in school who was always standing around snickering when things went bad, but who could never be shown to have had a hand in anything directly. At some point, guys would start to kick that guy's ass periodically on general principles. Likewise, in the case of Saddam Hussein, the reasonable assumption is that he's guilty unless he somehow or other manages to prove himself innocent and, obviously, that did not happen.


At the time, the US military was in such disarray from the eight years of the Clinton regime that there was nothing we could do about it. Even such basic items as machinegun barrels, which we should have warehouses full of, were simply not there. Nonetheless, nobody should think they would get away with such a thing and, apparently, Hussein and his baathists didn't.

Bob Woodward's book "Bush at War" documents some of this:




The Clinton administration was a disaster of unprecedented proportions. We're lucky to be alive.

The clowns had been given more time than they rated. An assault force cannot be held on station indefinitely and weather for it was running out. Any further delay was out of the question.

Again there is solid proof that virtually all of the people who were opposing us at the UN were taking money from Saddam Hussein and that includes two of Hans Blix's flunkies. Blix by the way is either too stupid to find the major rivers of Iraq or was taking money from Hussein. Marines testing the waters of the Tigris and Euphrates for simple potability turned up high levels of cyanide and mustard agents in several places. The major rivers of a country like Iraq are the first places Blix should have looked for runoff from any sort of illicit weapons program. I mean, where else is it gonna go?

There is a great deal of evidence indicating that WMDs were moved to Syria during the months of delay due to the UN.

i'm sorry. i've forgotten. could you tell me again how many of the hijackers on 9/11 were iraqi?

and btw, if anything about the clinton administartion was a disaster, we can thank gingrich and the republican revolution. like i've said before, maybe the r/r should have paid a little more attention to the middle east instead of clinton's south.

swolf.

i forgot. several of the hijackers stayed in california and arizona.

By the way, as long as we're talking about Jake Shellac and his ilk at the UN, the standard and habitual French way of dealing with guys like Saddam Hussein is fairly well known and can seen in the occasional photo from earlier periods:

http://www.archives.gov/research_room/research_topics/world_war_2_photos/images/ww2_81.jpg

The Czech govt is absolutely sticking by its story of Atta meeting with high level Iraqi agents in Prague prior to 9-11. There's basically nobody else they could plausibly have gotten the anthrax from.

ROTFLMAO, when liberals fail, as they always seem to do, it is always the fault of the right.

Clinton had his way for his first term, and it was the worst presidential term since Carter.

Clinton tried to pass a hugely unpopular socialized medicine scheme, that is where he really failed. Up until then he could be seen as a moderate, after that fiasco he was seen as inept.

how do you figure that? he made progress on cutting the reagan/bush deficits. job creation was taking off. nearly brokered peace between israel and palastine. began investigating middle east terrorism.

what do you think hurt america more; clinton's sexual appetite or bin laden's suicidal goon squads?

saying that when liberals fail they blame republicans is bit of the pot calling the kettle black. you seem to blame carter and clinton for every bad day you've had in the last 30 years.

WOW !!! what the heck does that even mean, anyway??

"rolling on the floor laughing my ass off"

Hey, whatever.

It's GOOD to laugh! Gets out some of that pent-up stuff.

ROTFLMAO

Clinton's record against terrorism you ask ?

Thirty-eight days after taking office, when the World Trade Center was attacked for the first time, Clinton initiated via directive an operation that resulted in the capture, trial, conviction and imprisonment of Ramsi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Shah, all proven to be responsible for the attack.

Clinton's administration was able to thwart several planned terrorist attacks. They were aware of and able to thwart plots to kill the pope, blow up twelve US jetliners, attack the UN headquarters, the FBI building, the Israeli embassy in Washington, the US embassy in Albania, the LA and Boston airports, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and the George Washington Bridge.

How was Clinton able to do all this ?

He tripled the counter-terrorism budget for the FBI.
He doubled counter-terrorism funding overall.
He rolled up al Quaeda cells in more than twenty countries.
He created a top level national security post to coordinate all federal counter-terrorism activity.

His first and second crime bills contained stringent anti-terrorism legislation.
His administration sponsored a series of simulations to see how local, state, and federal officials should respond to terrorist attacks.
He created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including40 mil doses of smallpox vaccine.
He collaborated passionately but respectfully with foreign leaders to join the fight internationally.

"By any measure, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him." Bernard Gellman, Washington Post (very conservative).

Al Franken writes: "You would think that Clinton, in order to get any of this done, would have to have had the support of the Republican Congress. In fact, the Republican Congress fought Clinton bitterly on counter-terrorism spending. When Clinton asked for more money for anti-terrorism spending in 1996, orin Hatch objected: "This administration would be wise to utilize the resourses Congress has already provided."


Immediately after the embassy bombings, Clinton issues a presidential directive authorizing the assasination of Osama bin Laden.

The final al Quaeda attack of the Clinton era came on October 12th, 2000, against the USS Cole. Clinton took his anti0terrorism policy to the highest level possible. He put Richard Clarke in charge of devising a comprehensive plan to take out al Quaeda. The plan was ambitious: break up all al Quaeda cells and arrest their personnel, attack their financial supporters, freeze all assets, give immediate aid to countries struggling internally against al Quaeda (especially Uzbekistan, The Phillipines, and Yemen), and scale up covert action in Afghanistan to eliminate the training camps and reach bin Laden himself.


Clinton's plan to eliminate al Quaeda was completed only a few weeks before Bush's inauguration. If it had been implemented at that time by the Clinton administration, "we would have been handing them a war" a former Clinton aide told TIME. Instead, Clinton decided to turn over the plan to the Bush administration. Remembering how little help the previous Bush administration had provided to his team, Sandy Berger arranged and attended (several of ) ten briefings for his successor, Condoleeza Rice, indicating to her the serious threat of terrorism in general and al Quaeda specifically. (Rice later denied receiving this specific warning but was quoted in TIME referencing the warning. )

After Berger left, Richard Clarke took over and laid out the whole plan for Rice. She was so impressed by Clarke that she asked him to stay on as counter-terrorism Chief. In February, Clarke repeated the briefings for vice-president Cheney. In spite of all these briefings, however, Bush administration officials basically ignored the urgency of Clarke's information. Clarke became increasingly frustrated. Also in February, Senators Hart (Gary) and Rudman (Warren) issued their third report on national security, warning that "mass-casualty terrorism directed against the US homeland was of serious concern", and that "America was woefully unprepared for a catastrophic domestic terrorism attack". The Hart-Rudman commission urged the immediate creation of a Department of Homeland Security. The report generated a great deal of media attention, and in Congress a bill was intriduced to establish a National Homeland Security Agency, but astonishingly, over at the White House, President Bush, vice-president Cheney, Attorney General Ashcroft, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, basicall ignored the entire situation. (Al Franken dubs this reaction "Operation Ignore".)

April 30th, Clarke presented a new version of the plan to Cheney's staff re al Quaeda, Pakistan and indo-Pakistan. No action of implementaion of any kind.

July10th, Phoenix FBI agent Ken Williams sent a memo to FBI headquarters regarding middle eastern students taking flight lessons. The memo was dismissed. Had Clarke's plan been in place, heightening security awareness, the memo would not have been dismissed.

Clarke and George Tenet (CIA Director) became more and more frustrated. In mid-July, Tenet briefed Condoleeza Rice and told her there was going to be a major attack. An official told TIME. (documented)

July 16th, it was finally determined that Clarke's plan would be implemented. Since Cheney and Bush were "re-charging their batteries" in August, the long-overdue integration meeting could not be scheduled in August, and was scheduled for September 4th.

August 6th, Tenet delivered a report to Bush entitled "bin Laden Determined to Strike in US". The report warned that al Quaeda might be planning to hijack airplanes. Bush did nothing to follow up on this memo. He was photographed golfing and dealing with landscaping issues on his property.

August 15th, the INS arrested Zacharias Moussaoui, a flight school student who had generated interest with agents because he seemed to have no interest in learning to land planes. Again, the information was not shared or analyzed. No plan in place yet.

August 25th, Bush, still on the ranch, discussed his dogs with reporters.

August, Thomas J. Pickard, acting FBI director, studied a comprehensive review of counter-terrorism programs and information, and became alarmed by the mounting terrorism threat. He immediately met with AG Ashcroft to request $58 million from the Justice Department to hire hundreds of new field agents and translators.

September 4th, Clarke's plan finally reached the administration principals committee. Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell decided to advise Bush to adopt the plan.

September 9th, Congress proposed $600 billion to fund this plan. The money was to come from Rumsfeld's "beloved" missle-defense program estimated at $158 - $ 238 billion. Congress proposed to shift $ .6 billion over to the counter-terrorism programs. Rumsfeld was furious and threatened a presidential veto.

September 10th, Pickard received an official letter from Ashcroft denying his request.

September 11th, ........



note: FOX "News" regularly spews forth misinformation regarding Clinton's "missed opportunity" re bin Laden. Here are the facts. Mansoor Ijaz, a Pakistani-American, claims to have transmitted the offer as a middleman between the US and Sudan. Former National Security Advisor Sandy Berger and past National Security Council counter-terrorism director Daniel Benjamin have the following to offer re Ijaz. Berger met with Ijaz and immediately determined he was unreliable, someone pursuing his own financial interests. Ijaz was an investment banker with a huge stake in Sudanese oil. Ijaz had "urged" Berger to lift sanctions against Sudan, long known to be a harbor for terrorists. Ijaz said the Sudan was ready to hand over bin Laden, but had absolutely no evidence to that point. When the US covertly spoke to Sudan officials regarding bin Laden, there was no such offer. The US pursued every lead and continued to try to negotiate. Nothing. Curiously, Ijaz now has a job as a foreign affairs analyst for FOX News.



As you may have guessed, the notes above came from Al Franken's book "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them", where all the information he presents is clearly and vigourously documented.

I honestly cannot believe that you or any other supporter of that psychopathic pervert would have the gall to post any sort of a claim of the Klintler regime waging any sort of a war against AlQuaeda or any other kind of terrorists.

The most natural ally we could possibly have in any sort of a war against islammic terrorism would be Russia, which has the wherewithal to fight such wars and a history of having to fight them.

In the 90s, an entirely new relationship with Russia was there for the asking and Slick Klintler and his psychotic secretary of state Albright ruined it by bombing a totally innocent orthodox Christian nation (that's right, just like Russia) into the stone age for eighty days and nights for the benefit of a narco-terrorist organization which is basically a branch of AlQuaeda, and to take a totally credible rape allegation (Juanita Broaddrick) off the front pages of our own newspapers.

The Sudanese offered to hand Osama binLaden to us on a platter, nonetheless, Slick Klintler, seeing no political gain in it for himself, told them to screw off.

And then Jamie Gorelick, who was actually running the justice dept. most of the time while Janet Reno sat around in a drunken stupor, created a "wall" between the FBI and CIA, presumably to prevent any sort of a serious investigation into chinagate, i.e. Slick's treasonous relationships with the chinese communist dictatorship, and that prevented the 9-11 conspiracy from being apprehended and shut down as it otherwise would have been.

And finally, as far as dealing with Iraq, Slick had basically kept some sort of a cruise missile attack on Saddam in his pocket for a rainy day and tried to use it the day before he was to be impeached.

The standard definition of "chutzvah" in Yiddish dictionaries involved the example of the kid who murdered his parents and then demanded leniency because he was an orphan. That will change. The new definition will use the example of the president who starts a war the day before he's impeached and then has some flunky like Dick Gephardt try to keep his face straight while claiming that it's unpatriotic to start an impeachment with a war in progress.

The Klintler legacy:

Well, Kerry voted to cut the intel budget, how about them apples?

It's a bit worse than that. As I understand it at least, they did cut the intel budget significantly in 93 or thereabouts, and then Kerry wanted to make more significant cuts and even his demmy brethren laughed at him. That's what is meant by leftmost of all US senators. Karl Marx wouldn't vote for this guy because he (Marx) would figure he (Kery) was too far to the left.

you understand incorrectly. kerry's cut was 300 million for 5 years, equaling about 1.5-1.6 billion. this equaled about 3/4 of 1%. the republican bill later passed at about 2/3 of that amount. they cited over budgeting and waste as the reason for the cuts.

i went over some of this earlier on page 20 of this thread

What is a Klintler?

Try reading more Chinese newspapers...



Robert Burns

What is a Klintler?