SueZCue wrote:au1929 wrote:I do not know how many times when witnessing the harassment by the press of celebrities as well as their distorted reporting I have wondered how people could restrain themselves.
Good for her. She did what the average person would do under similar circumstances. It is about time for people to tell the press where to get off.
Are you kidding me? Jeanene Garafalo, Meryl Streep, Michael Moore, Al Franken, the list is endless. These people are probably at best high school graduates but because they're well-known actors they think that makes them qualified political analysts. If they don't want the press in their face for their political commentary, they should keep it off-camera. They want the attention and they like it. C'mon now.
"These" people are my guess far more educated then the person commenting on them. May I inform you that there are some Republican celebraties that aslo speak out are they uneducated unqualified too>
You people are a riot you're so eager to smear anyone you don't agree with that you don't even bother to be consisitent or honest.
The reporter was a right wing hack who had insulted and misrepresented facts about what she said. She didn't swear like say Cheney and Bush, but she told him to "shove it" like every other human being on the planet would do. Unlike Cheney she didn't do this on the Senate floor to a peer and unlike Bush she didn't hide behind what he thought was a dead mike to call the guy an asshole. She said it to his face! the way it should be done.
Good for her!
Thankfully she has a mind and will not be as the present first lady a Stepford wife. That would be a refreshing change.
Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner: Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
JustWonders
And they met with great success in their chosen field. It is a shame that with his "C" ??average college degree Bush has not.
I would ask since the level of education was raised am I to assume that without a college degree some of you believe an individual has no right to express there political views and preferences. I would submit the level of ones intelligence and ability to reason does not depend on the level of education. I have met people in my lifetime with a string of degrees that had as much common sense as a wooden post.
au1929. I should point out that being president is pretty much the pinnacle of success for a politician. It's like winning ALL the academy awards for acting.
That would be the case if Bush was elected, but he was not, he was appointed.
McG
However, as president he has been a failure.
In your opinion. In my opinion, not so much.
McG
How much of a failure is not so much?
au1929 wrote:JustWonders
And they met with great success in their chosen field. It is a shame that with his "C" ??average college degree Bush has not.
I would ask since the level of education was raised am I to assume that without a college degree some of you believe an individual has no right to express there political views and preferences. I would submit the level of ones intelligence and ability to reason does not depend on the level of education. I have met people in my lifetime with a string of degrees that had as much common sense as a wooden post.
au1929 - I totally agree with your thinking that higher education does not necessarily make one smarter. I was just responding to Redheats's post about "these people".
Case in point...Jimmy Carter. Well-educated, graduated college, thought to be highly intelligent, yet where does he show up on rosters of "best/worst U.S. presidents"? Then again, Abraham Lincoln had no formal education.
Trust me, I am not at all surprised that Democrats embrace the analyses of college drop-outs, nor that they feel "these people" are more than qualified to espouse views on important policy decisions.
:wink:
"My lack of education hasn't hurt me none......I can read the writing on the wall"
BpB
Which I trust says Bush loses.
THK's right wing harrasser
Cable news networks obsess over Teresa Heinz Kerry comment; downplay Tribune-Review's right-wing history
Media Matters for America 7/26/04
On July 26, the cable news networks devoted extensive air time to Teresa Heinz Kerry's exchange with an employee of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, a conservative daily newspaper owned by Richard Mellon Scaife (known as the "Funding Father of the Right"), who paid for the controversial anti-Clinton Arkansas Project.
While the cable networks did numerous stories on the incident between Heinz Kerry and the Tribune-Review employee, they didn't spend much time explaining why Heinz Kerry doesn't like the paper or the fact that Colin McNickle, the journalist who had the exchange with Heinz Kerry, is the newspaper's editorial page editor and has penned columns attacking the Kerry-Edwards '04 ticket. For example, in a July 18 column, McNickle accused Senators John Kerry and John Edwards of being "two Johns pimping for a populism that can only perpetuate poverty." In a 2002 column, titled "We need more Ann Coulters," McNickle wrote, "[W]e need more Ann Coulters. And we need them to ratchet it up and throw more stones." His reporting from the 2004 Democratic National Convention was advertised by the Tribune-Review as follows: "It's a dirty job dealing with liberals, but somebody's gotta do it."
On News from CNN, for example, anchor Wolf Blitzer noted, "There is a long history between her and that newspaper in Pittsburgh as a lot of us who cover politics fully understand." Blitzer didn't bother explaining that "history." He did note later in the day -- after repeated CNN reports of the incident that failed to do any more that identify the Tribune-Review as "conservative" -- that the Tribune-Review is owned by Scaife, "who has donated millions to conservative causes." But if cable news networks had bothered to address the Tribune-Review's "history," viewers might have had a better understanding for Heinz Kerry's unhappiness with the paper, which her spokeswoman identified as a "right-wing rag."
In the mid-1990s, Scaife used the Tribune-Review to promote the utterly unfounded theory that deputy Clinton White House counsel Vince Foster was murdered and other bizarre anti-Clinton conspiracy theories. According to a May 2, 1999, article in The Washington Post, Scaife "personally hired" right-wing journalist Christopher Ruddy "to write about Foster's death for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. ... Ruddy's stories about Foster's death -- most of them challenging the suicide theory, without offering an alternative explanation -- began to appear in January 1995." Scaife hired Ruddy only after he was fired as an investigative reporter for Rupert Murdoch's New York Post, because, Ruddy said, the Post "refused to support further [Vince] Foster projects," as ABC News reporter Chris Bury reported on Nightline on July 18, 1995.
In more recent years, the Tribune-Review has turned its attention to Senator John Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry. "Why would a small Pennsylvania paper take aim at a New England politician?" asked Robert Neuwirth, formerly associate editor of Editor & Publisher, in a February 1998 column for In These Times:
The answer is Richard Mellon Scaife. ... Kerry is one of Scaife's favorite targets because he is married to Teresa Heinz, widow of John Heinz, the late Republican senator from Pennsylvania and heir to the enormous ketchup fortune. Scaife is apparently outraged that Kerry walked off with Theresa's [sic: Teresa's] heart -- and her millions (the Tribune-Review once derided Kerry as 'Mr. Teresa Heinz').
In December 2003, the Tribune-Review published a commentary by Tom Randall, senior partner with the consulting firm Winningreen LLC; Randall co-authored a longer version of the commentary, which was published as a report by the right-wing Capital Research Center. The headline on Randall's Tribune-Review commentary accused Heinz Kerry -- by way of the Heinz Endowments (of which she is chair) -- of "team[ing] up with a secretive left-wing group." As the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette pointed out, the Tribune Review failed to "mention that Scaife's charities gave $260,000 to Capital Research in 2002."
While Randall attacked what he called the Tides Foundation's "secret funneling of cash from private foundations" (specifically the Heinz Endowments) "to extreme left-wing activist groups," in reality, as a statement released by the Heinz Endowments maintained, "y legally binding contract, every penny of Heinz's support to Tides has been explicitly directed to specific projects in Pennsylvania" -- not to the "extreme left-wing" groups Randall cited.
According to a March 11 statement released by the Tides Foundation, these grants were used for environmental protection or education projects. The Nation's media columnist, Eric Alterman, has also debunked the alleged ties between Heinz Kerry and these so-called leftist groups.
JustWonders wrote:Barbra Streisand: Completed high school
Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade.
Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton.
Career: Acting
Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year.
Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal
Career: Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school
Career: Acting
Sean Penn: Completed High school
Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C.
Career: Acting
Ed Asner: Completed High school
Career: Acting
George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky
Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan.
Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School
Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school
Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College.
Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year.
Career: Acting
Since actual academic education has little to do with one's RIGHT to Free Speech or intelligence. Einstein was a drop out I believe. The only point you make is your own pettiness nothing else is relevant sorry.
Look at Bush here is a man who supposdly recieved a good education yet he cannot speak proper english and couldn't pick out but a handful of countries on a map. All his education and he's no smarter and in many areas less smart then the very people you listed. They became successful, on their own merits Bush couldn't say the same.
Redheat - first you argue that "these" people are "far more educated" than the person commenting on them.
Then you learn that it's generally purported to be the opposite, so you say that "education doesn't matter".
So which is it?
The poster didn't mention Bush, but was referring to a few actors that you guessed were highly educated.
And you say I'm petty? I was just putting the facts out there. How does that make me petty?
Because you dare to disagree with Redheat, JustWonders.
But, but, but....I didn't disagree with him/her. I merely listed the academic achievements of a few of the people he surmised were "far more educated" than the poster.
I cannot be held responsible for the fact that Cher barely made it through Jr. High LOL.
By pointing that out, you are demonstrating that you may not feel that actors are the best people to listen to when it comes to devloping a political perspective. That flies right in the face of the typical liberal intellect. Therefore, you are petty.
JustWonders wrote:Redheat - first you argue that "these" people are "far more educated" than the person commenting on them.
Then you learn that it's generally purported to be the opposite, so you say that "education doesn't matter".
So which is it?
The poster didn't mention Bush, but was referring to a few actors that you guessed were highly educated.
And you say I'm petty? I was just putting the facts out there. How does that make me petty?
Just wonder, educated isn't always equated with "school learning". Educated is informed, well read and intellectually curious. That is what I referenced not actual academic achievement which doesn't mean a damn thing. So your list was irrelevant since it had nothing to do with what I was saying. You misunderstood my meaning and then went into some kind of rant that I still have NO idea what the point was.
So to clarify since some seem lost in the literal.
Each party has "stars" "famous people" who support them. However all the bitching about this comes from the republicans who like to try and smear Democrats as being "hollywood liberals". It's hypocritical.
The people that ARE ALWAYS mentioned are educated in that they either were educated at venues of higher learning and/or they keep themselves informed through various means of learning. Such as READING which educates anyone no matter how far they went in school. They watch, learn , ask questions and stay involved. In any Democracy very respectable qualities and ones we should all try to emulate.
There seems to be this attitude that if you are a "hollywood" type you can't speak your mind or your too stupid. There are hollywood actors who are in Mensa. I believe there is an action star who has been so outspoken in the political arena that he became Gov. A Republican. Not only that but another Republican Icon was also an "actor" that was Ronald Reagan.
So this attempt to diminish people who support Democrats by claiming they have NO right to speak, or they are too stupid or uneducated only shows the pettiness and dishonesty of those making the claims. For the Republicans have just as many "stars" speaking for them and they have a Gov. and President too boot! The hypocrisy never stops.
So Just Wonders my address to another poster and your need to try and defend them was all for nought because you totally misunderstood my point. Maybe we could move on past this disingenuous attempt to "clarify" my post and leave it at the fact that you didn't get the point and that "educated" can involve many things not all revolving around actual attendance to a higher learning facility.
JustWonders wrote:Redheat - first you argue that "these" people are "far more educated" than the person commenting on them.
Then you learn that it's generally purported to be the opposite, so you say that "education doesn't matter".
So which is it?
The poster didn't mention Bush, but was referring to a few actors that you guessed were highly educated.
And you say I'm petty? I was just putting the facts out there. How does that make me petty?
Just one problem with this ... when Redheat (of whose rhetorics I do not otherwise approve) wrote that "these" people are probably "far more educated" than the person commenting on them", she was, formally speaking, referring to the people "the person commenting on them" had actually listed - ie, Garafalo, Streep, Moore, Franken.
See? ->
Redheat wrote:SueZCue wrote:Are you kidding me? Jeanene Garafalo, Meryl Streep, Michael Moore, Al Franken, the list is endless. These people are probably at best high school graduates [..]
"These" people are my guess far more educated then the person commenting on them.
And, as we know thanks to some quick fact-checking
by Piffka, all of those people actually
did all have respectful educations.
The fact that a dozen
other liberal actors that you decided to throw in the mix as well afterwards, did not, isnt really here nor there then, is it?
Not that I dont think the whole discussion point is ridiculous anyway ... every citizen has the right to talk about how he's represented by Congress and government, and those who are famous for whatever reason or another will get the chance to do so in front of a mike, whether he's a liberal actor or a conservative country-singer. <shrugs>
