parados
 
  3  
Thu 11 Feb, 2016 05:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The SID is for identifying a computer or user on a domain. The SID isn't broadcast to websites you visit. As BillRM stated websites use IP address and MAC address. Both can be easily changed or spoofed in some fashion.

Someone would have to be really bored and/or really vindictive to want to spend the time to down vote someone several times in what is essentially a meaningless gesture.
BillRM
 
  0  
Thu 11 Feb, 2016 06:01 pm
@parados,
Quote:
Someone would have to be really bored and/or really vindictive to want to spend the time to down vote someone several times in what is essentially a meaningless gesture


It had happen before and the time would not be all that great as you could have five or more windows open at the same time under different accounts.

Yes you would leave a trail but I question if they would care.
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 11 Feb, 2016 06:18 pm
@parados,
There is now some light in the shadow. Wink
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parados
 
  3  
Fri 12 Feb, 2016 08:52 am
@BillRM,
Quote:

Yes you would leave a trail but I question if they would care.

No, you wouldn't leave a trail. If you were determined enough to do it you could easily spoof your MAC in each account and use proxies to change your IPs.

The time spent to open 5 windows would be a waste of time imo but if I wanted to do it it would take no more time for me to spoof the MAC and proxy an IP.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 12 Feb, 2016 10:07 am
@parados,
I would not leave a trail but most of the clowns that would do votes downs of links to cdc databases and such would and by not doing a changes in either their isp or mac addresses and using open tabs in browsers it would not take them very long.
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 12 Feb, 2016 10:23 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Someone would have to be really bored and/or really vindictive to want to spend the time to down vote someone several times in what is essentially a meaningless gesture.

Not entirely meaningless.

Voting a post down more than five times collapses it for most viewers (as if the person who made the post was on ignore), except for viewers who change their account settings to prevent such posts from being collapsed.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Fri 12 Feb, 2016 11:00 am
@oralloy,
Quote:
Voting a post down more than five times collapses it for most viewers (as if the person who made the post was on ignore), except for viewers who change their account settings to prevent such posts from being collapsed.


Off hand I can not see any other reason to vote down a link to a government data base for example but to hide the information from readers.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 16 Feb, 2016 08:25 am

Loretta Lynch Announces DOJ Will 'Aggressively Prosecute' City of Ferguson for Targeting Its Black Citizens (Video)

Lawsuit alleges pattern of law enforcement conduct that violates the Constitution and federal civil rights laws.
By Alexandra Rosenmann / AlterNet
February 11, 2016
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-department-justice-sues-city-ferguson


Photo Credit: Veuer/Dailymotion
The Justice Department has filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city of Ferguson, Missouri after officials there rejected an agreement to retool their police and court systems. The DOJ alleges black citizens were unfairly targeted.

"There is no price for constitutional policing," says Attorney General Loretta Lynch. "We intend to aggressively prosecute this case and I have no doubt that we will prevail."

The lawsuit comes a year and a half after the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager who was shot by officer Darren Wilson, a white Ferguson police officer on Aug. 9, 2014. Since his death and the non-indictment of Wilson, multiple lawsuits have been filed, but only since May of last year have any been moved from state to federal court.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 16 Feb, 2016 08:29 am
@BillRM,
No. But YOU seem to.
BillRM
 
  -1  
Tue 16 Feb, 2016 08:50 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
No. But YOU seem to.


You mean do I know how to game the votes on this system yes indeed I do have that knowledge along with a great many other people as the voting system is not secure on this website but I am not likely to be voting down my own postings and links to CDC databases.

Nor had I taken note that your and other such people postings had been voted down in mass.

I frankly did consider for a moment voting back up my postings but instead I had file a complain with the system administrator and at least for now the massive votes downs of my postings had come to an end.

Censorship for whatever reason is never right and nor is gaming the system.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 08:02 am
@BillRM,
Wouldn't "voting down" be free speech? You only support your own free speech? For someone who doesn't care, you seem widely vested in something I think you're ginning up, a conspiracy just against you.

I just don't see how anyone could make more than two or three accounts and be able to manipulate them with any ease.
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 08:10 am

Loretta Lynch Announces DOJ Will 'Aggressively Prosecute' City of Ferguson for Targeting Its Black Citizens (Video)

Lawsuit alleges pattern of law enforcement conduct that violates the Constitution and federal civil rights laws.
By Alexandra Rosenmann / AlterNet
February 11, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/us-department-justice-sues-city-ferguson

Photo Credit: Veuer/Dailymotion
The Justice Department has filed a civil rights lawsuit against the city of Ferguson, Missouri after officials there rejected an agreement to retool their police and court systems. The DOJ alleges black citizens were unfairly targeted.

"There is no price for constitutional policing," says Attorney General Loretta Lynch. "We intend to aggressively prosecute this case and I have no doubt that we will prevail."

The lawsuit comes a year and a half after the death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black teenager who was shot by officer Darren Wilson, a white Ferguson police officer on Aug. 9, 2014. Since his death and the non-indictment of Wilson, multiple lawsuits have been filed, but only since May of last year have any been moved from state to federal court.
0 Replies
 
bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 08:11 am

Black Lives Matter Brought Environmental Racism of Flint into the Spotlight, and Helped Expose How CEO Politicians Are Failing Us

One of the biggest lessons of Flint is that governments do not work better if they are “run like a business.”
By Susan J. Douglas / In These Times
February 9, 2016

http://www.alternet.org/water/black-lives-matter-brought-environmental-racism-flint-spotlight-and-helped-expose-failures-ceo

This article originally appeared in the March issue of In These Times, an independent monthly magazine dedicated to advancing democracy and economic justice. Be the first to read stories like this: Get In These Times today!

Why is Rick Snyder, Michigan's suddenly infamous governor, in the center of the media’s crosshairs? Massive coverage -- front-page pieces in TheNew York Times, headlines in the nightly news, wall-to-wall coverage by Rachel Maddow -- has linked the contamination of Flint’s water supply to the fact that its population is 57 percent African-American, and has either explicitly or implicitly cited the catastrophe as an act of “environmental racism.” That’s a term we haven’t heard much in the media, despite many other instances of environmental racism in the United States -- one notorious example being the huge pollution-spewing garbage-burning incinerator in Chester, Pa., that sits right across the street from residential housing. Chester is predominantly poor and black.
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So what’s different about Flint? The historical timing. The Black Lives Matter movement offers a news peg, having persistently insisted that incidents of violence against black communities are not one-offs but part of systemic, structurally based brutality. Now there’s a media framework to legitimate Flint residents’ accusations that the water crisis would never have happened in more affluent, white communities like Grand Rapids or Grosse Pointe.

The rise of Donald Trump also provides context here, however subtly. In his campaign, Trump has sought to make a virtue out of the fact that he has no political experience and instead would “get things done” because he’s a businessman and a “deal-maker.” In 2010, Rick Snyder campaigned on this platform as well. He was a wealthy venture capitalist and former tax accountant with zero political experience. Michigan was still reeling from the Great Recession, and Snyder claimed that his business background made him the ideal person for the job. He said one of his guiding questions in developing policy would be “What’s financially affordable?” and championed “a streamlined regulatory system that’s more friendly to businesses.”

As part of this approach, Snyder pushed through his controversial emergency manager law in 2011, which allowed him to appoint officials to run -- that is, take over -- struggling cities and school districts and who could overrule local elected officials, dictate decisions about finances and public safety, terminate or modify contracts and sell off public assets. They did not need to have any particular expertise -- in, say, education or public health -- outside of cost cutting. And they were paid anywhere from $132,000 to $250,000 a year. Many Michigan residents denounced the law as undemocratic -- it prompted two unsuccessful recall attempts -- and in November of 2012, it was repealed by a popular referendum. Six weeks later, Snyder signed a slightly revised version of the bill that included a $770,000 appropriation for the managers’ salaries. Why did that matter? Because spending bills are legally shielded from referendums. And where were the emergency managers appointed? In largely African-American communities.

So how well have these allegedly savvy quasi-CEOs done?

In Detroit, teachers have staged sick-outs because of the failure of the various emergency managers to deal with crumbling school infrastructures, overcrowding and, yes, rats in the schools. Who was the emergency manager of Detroit Public Schools? Why, Darnell Earley, who ran Flint when it switched to the Flint River for its water. In February, he resigned in disgrace. In Flint, the revolving door of managers took authority away from the mayor and city council and pushed to change the city’s water supply from Detroit to the polluted Flint River to save money. We are now seeing how well that worked out. Emergency Manager Jerry Ambrose overruled the city council’s March 2015 vote to return to the Detroit water supply. And because of the autocratic power emergency managers enjoyed, they could ignore rising complaints about the color and smell of the water, and ignore or manipulate data about its safety.

There are many lessons the Flint catastrophe teaches, but one of the biggest is that governments do not work better if they are “run like a business.” It’s not just the ethical problem that slashing spending on things like public health is unjust and immoral. It’s also, in the end, more expensive. The switch to the Flint River for water was projected to save $15 million dollars. It may now cost $1.5 billion to clean up. So much for what’s “financially affordable.”



Susan J. Douglas is a professor of communications at the University of Michigan and an In These Times columnist. Her latest book is "Enlightened Sexism: The Seductive Message That Feminism's Work is Done." She writes frequently on gender issues, media criticism and national politics.
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BillRM
 
  -1  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 11:39 am
@bobsal u1553115,
Phony votes down done by phony and invalid accounts is no more free speech then people who votes many times in elections under false names and or IDs.

You get one vote on this system nor are you supposed to created many phony accounts on this system for any reason.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:37 pm
@BillRM,
Can you provide proof of these "phony votes?" Evidence, please.
snood
 
  3  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
There is no proof bill can find that substantiates voter fraud on any other than a minuscule, tiny scale. But it'll be fun if he tries.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:24 pm
@snood,
I know. Even in Florida, they couldn't find any proof of fraud.

REVISE: Seems there were some fraud.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/florida-voter-fraud/
snood
 
  3  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:38 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

I know. Even in Florida, they couldn't find any proof of fraud.

REVISE: Seems there were some fraud.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/florida-voter-fraud/


OK, but you can count ALL the people on two hands who supposedly committed voter fraud on that page. On a nationwide study conducted for elections including all 50 states from 2000 to 2012, they found 10 - ten - cases in 12 years. That's a fraction of one percent.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/10981-new-nationwide-study-of-election-fraud-since-2000-finds-just-10-cases-of-in-person-voter-fraud

The bottom line for bill and everyone else who defends the stricter voter ID laws the right keeps coming up with, is that they are all attempts to SUPPRESS THE VOTE, not fight against any bogus "voter fraud" . It is a blatant attempt to return to the Jim Crow days where they used to make blacks pass literacy tests before voting. It's evil. It's bullshit.
cicerone imposter
 
  3  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:44 pm
@snood,
I know the effect of voter fraud is the concern, but I didn't want to let people believe there were none.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Wed 17 Feb, 2016 07:09 pm
@BillRM,
Why do you get to decide what's free speech or not on a privately owned forum where the owner has come out and flat warned you there is no completely free speech?

I call Bullshit. You're making it up to derail discussions.

Just when I almost started to like you. And have been actually thumbing you up.
 

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