Black Lives Matter

There is a problem and it's a lot more complex than simply laying it all at the feet of racism.

Any slogan that has to be constantly explained and defended is a poor one.

I was listening to NPR this afternoon and an interview show featured a black poet. (I never remember names and I don't remember his). Very intelligent young man who is currently in his third year at Yale Law School, but who went to prison at age 16 after an armed carjacking. He spent 8 years in prison.

I enjoyed listening to him quite a lot, and while he didn't attempt to hold himself blameless for his past, he didn't seem to be able to empathize with the victim of his crime. I'm willing to believe him when he says that he never would have used the gun he held, but I see no reason whatsoever why his victim should have.

He forced his way into a woman's car and put a gun to her head and she was supposed to consider that he was actually a very intelligent young man who was failed by the system, but would never have actually blown her head off?

The interviewer (white) made much of the "scars" the poet carried from prison, but never once gave any indication that he, for a moment, thought of the "scars" this young man's victim might carry to this day.

(And now I'm going to rant about liberals like this interviewer. If he had been interviewing a white female victim of a sexual assault by a white student on a campus in America, he would have been all about the victims and not the criminal)

Should he have been sent to prison at age 16 for eight years? I don't really know. Based on where he is today, it's easy to say he was "thrown away" by an uncaring society with racist undertones, but who is to say that if he hadn't been arrested and imprisoned that his crimes wouldn't have continued and escalated? As well, his life experience isn't the lowest common denominator in this mess.

There is a problem. The answer is not to insist that all of the black men in prison deserve to be there, but it's also not to insist that none of them do.

A rich white kid guilty of this guy's crime might very well have gotten off,but does that mean this guy should have as well or that the white kid should have gone to prison too?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/c02.txt

BLM want to say that cops always looking more closely at black when they are trying to solve or prevent crime is racism, when it is good policing. BLM never wants to deal with the high criminality rates of blacks, they keep wanting to claim that it is a myth. It is not.

So if the picture in the link had been an albino then what? It would be some proof that albinos are more likely to be imprison falsely

On the one hand hundreds of more dead black men a year in Chicago then New York year after year is not enough proof for you and yet one picture of a man you ID as black mean that blacks are more likely to be falsely imprison then other races

Your logic suck canal water.

So you'll be able to provide a picture of an albino man, (who is not African American,) being locked up for 20+years in a case where both the presiding judge and police think he's innocent.

If what you're saying is true it should be a piece of piss.

As I already stated your logic is lacking as on the one hand a river of young black men blood in the city of Chicago compare to New York year after year is not proof of anything but one story of a man that might had been falsely imprison that you ID as black is some indication that blacks are more likely to be falsely imprison then other groups.

Even a child could see the problems with your logic.

Temper tantrum is Izzy's game. Logic not required.

Can't find an albino, how about a white guy?

We can't all be blessed with your Zen like tranquillity.

Our practicality and our allegiance to reality also serves us well. But mostly because we have done the work to understand who we are and what makes us tick we have good insights into what makes others tick, which has become very rare in modern times. We tend to be very good commentators on the human condition in an age full of stupid and spiritually broken peoples.

I have nothing but good things to say about Zen.

Or cursed with his singular lack charm.

Hey, Tony RM - Care to place a wager. You want impeach Izzy's testimony, go ahead - make a bet on whether this victim of injustice is black or not.

I save the charm for the ladies and my friends. I am not here to make friends or to finf playmates, I have said from the start that I am here to argue on the nature of reality, to compare notes.

If you need more charm in your life get a cute dog.

Or write in coherent English, apparently.

Many have said it, need some more examples?????

GOPer To ‘Colored’ Colleague: Racism Is OVER Because The President Is Black (VIDEO)



In 2013, the Republican Party made a monumental announcement: Racism is over in America. While that statement was swiftly retracted, it represents a genuine belief among Republicans. They firmly believe that they aren’t racist — and those who call them out on their bigotry are the true racists.

Republican Nevada State Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore, in a discussion on the discriminatory nature of voter ID legislation, once again made the claim that racism no longer exists in America.

Yes, folks, we can forget about the rampant racism and corruption uncovered in the Ferguson Police Department — the true racists are those in the Justice Department who uncovered the information, according to Republicans.

We can forget about prominent Republicans speaking at events hosted by white supremacist groups. That’s just coincidence. As for those Republicans who hire white supremacists — Well, they’re not racists, either, even if they say they would have opposed legislation that ensured African-Americans’ right to vote.

It’s obvious that Republicans would love to pretend racism doesn’t exist. After all, the GOP is so chock-full of bigots that the KKK actively recruits at right-wing rallies.

But, Fiore is absolutely certain that racism doesn’t exist. We do have a black President, after all. “A hearing before the Assembly’s Legislative Operations and Elections Committee this afternoon turned into a festival of crazy, with plenty of lessons to be learned,” the Las Vegas Review-Journal noted.

“We’re in 2015 and we have a black president, in case anyone didn’t notice,” Fiore said at the meeting in an attempt to justify her claim that voter ID laws can’t possibly be racist.

The Review-Journal reports that “there were apparently audible gasps in one of the hearing rooms” after Fiore congratulated Democratic colleague Harvey Munford for being the first “colored man to graduate from his high school.”

“The color and the race issue,” said Fiore, “I think it’s time we put that to rest and we go forth.”

One might assume that Fiore is not as stupid as she seems. Of course, that person would be woefully incorrect. Recently, Fiore claimed that cancer is actually a fungus that can be washed out with salt water.

“If you have cancer, which I believe is a fungus, and we can put a pic line into your body and we’re flushing, let’s say, salt water, sodium cardonate [sic], through that line, and flushing out the fungus…” Fiore claimed. “These are some procedures that are not FDA-approved in America that are very inexpensive, cost-effective.”

Obviously, she is a well-informed individual whose opinion means something.

Obviously.

Feature image via Las Vegas Review-Journal

I have never ever suggested or hinted at or ever in all my time on a2k or Abuzz EVEREVEREVER stated that ehBeth was or is or will be racist. Anyone who says I did is confused or pitching poo.

Are you confused or pitching poop?

Conservatives Think Racism Is Dead. They’re Wrong.
By Jonathan Chait

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/08/conservatives-think-racism-is-dead-wrong.html

Fifty years after the March on Washington, no major faction in American life disagrees with Martin Luther King Jr. or the evil of state-sponsored racial apartheid. The terms of the racial debate have shifted massively in liberals’ favor. The conservative stance on racial questions in 2013 is vastly more benign that it was in 1963. It is not, however, completely benign.

National Review’s editorial today pithily summarizes the contemporary line of the conservative movement on civil rights. The civil-rights movement was wonderful. It even concedes, as right-wingers usually fail to do, that the old generation of conservatives wrongly opposed that movement. (“Too many conservatives and libertarians, including the editors of this magazine, missed all of this at the time.”) But it proceeds to argue the evils the civil-rights movement fought against have been "vanquished,” and those that remain are “lousy schools, a thriving drug trade and a misguided governmental response, the collapse of marriage.”

As it happens, 50 years ago, National Review made the same kinds of arguments. The terrible things that happened to black people were primarily the consequence of their own misdeeds. When white supremacists bombed a black church and killed four children, NR scolded:

The fiend who set off the bomb does not have the sympathy of the white population in the South; in fact, he set back the cause of the white people there so dramatically as to raise the question whether in fact the explosion was the act of a provocateur – of a Communist, or of a crazed Negro. Some circumstantial evidence lends a hint of plausibility to that notion, especially the ten-minute fuse (surely a white man walking away from the church basement ten minutes earlier would have been noticed?). And let it be said that the convulsions that go on, and are bound to continue, have resulted from revolutionary assaults on the status quo, and a contempt for the law, which are traceable to the Supreme Court’s manifest contempt for the settled traditions of Constitutional practice.

Again, NR’s contemporary position is vastly less inhumane than its old one. One could even argue that NR was wrong then to blame African-Americans for their troubles but is correct to do so today. But NR’s current summary of the afflictions facing black America has some notable absences. One is the economic legacy of centuries of slavery and formal racial discrimination, which left in place a deep residential, social, and financial residue.

Another is continuing racial discrimination. There are many studies quantifying the fact that Americans still judge other people in part by the color of their skin. Conscious racial discrimination may be legally prohibited, and informal expressions of racism essentially banned from polite society, but unconscious racial stereotypes live on. A pile of studies and experiments show that black job applicants receive lower consideration than equally qualified white ones. This remains one of those findings that conservative discourse continues not to acknowledge.
NOVI, MI - MAY 3: Radio talk show host and conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh speaks at "An Evenining With Rush Limbaugh" event May 3, 2007 in Novi, Michigan. The event was sponsored by WJR radio station as part of their 85th birthday celebration festivities. (Photo by Bill Pugliano/Getty Images) *** Local Caption *** Rush Limbaugh
Photo: Bill Pugliano/2007 Getty Images

It is also true, and not unrelated to the above, that conservative politics still leans heavily on the stoking of white racial paranoia. Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Fox News, and many others routinely prey upon wild, baseless white fears that President Obama is engaged in reparations, that black goons are intimidating Republicans at the polls, that Obama is ushering in an era in which black kids beat up white ones. This is not a handful of incidents. McKay Coppins documented the imaginary race war that conservative media have peddled to their audience.

The policy grounds occupied by white racial conservatives today may be overwhelmingly less brutal than those it occupied a generation ago. But conservatives and libertarians didn’t merely “miss” the logic of the civil-rights movement, the way you might miss the housing bubble. They got it wrong for reasons that continue to be blindingly obvious today.

What a minute, are you claiming that the government's control of my brain extends into the unconscious? That is some whacked out ****. No wonder you big government promoters are losing the people! You are some stupid fucks!

my vote would go toward [the white kid should have gone to prison too]

With black women becoming far better educated then their black male counterpart by a ratio of almost two to one when it come to degrees you could very well see the merging of the black "race" into the far larger white society.

If educated black women wish to find mates and partners with equal social standing they for the most part will need to look outside the black community to do so.

In my own family my two mixed race step daughters who both have advance degrees ended up marrying white men,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States

TonyRM, that's some classic 1950's Klan talk race baiting crap.