Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 27 Sep, 2015 01:37 pm
@tony5732,
It is ironic that when one dubiously Republican candidate says something the Media finds offensive, the expectation and even demand is that all other Republicans must condemn him or her, but when a Democrat does...crickets.

It's not surprising that groups like BLM are not expected to condemn the calls for the murder of cops.

This is the progressive mind at work: As long you you are in basic agreement with their fundamental principles than you are granted the protection of emotional validity. Who are we (progressives) to judge or condemn the words or actions of other progressives if they are motivated by their own personal emotional experiences?
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 02:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
As long you you are in basic agreement with their fundamental principles than you are granted the protection of emotional validity. Who are we (progressives) to judge or condemn the words or actions of other progressives if they are motivated by their own personal emotional experiences?

Progressives have the exact same mindset as the missionaries of old, you are either with them or you are a heathen, and if you refuse to convert and suffer some calamity then "oh well", cause they are only interested in saving those whom they deem to be worthy of saving.

It is very depressing how little human nature has progressed.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Sun 27 Sep, 2015 02:39 pm
@hingehead,
Quote:
Several? We should start a police lives matter movement.


It's likely more than several but there are only three than I would say with certainty involved "politically" motivated executions.

I may be wrong but I sense that you think this is an insignificant number, in comparison with the number of innocent blacks killed by racist cops.

We would probably disagree on the number of innocent black cops killed by police, but, of course, one is too many.

I hate and fear rogue cops and when one is found out they should be punished to the full extent of the law. The Rule of Law depends upon equal justice and a reliance on just enforcers of the law. Rogue cops are a cancer in the body politic that needs to be eradicated. The fact is that a lot of effort and progress has been made in this regard, and while it is certainly not perfect, it's much better than the critics will admit.

Now if progressives who seem to feel that every individual's emotions are valid (when it suits them) ever interviewed one of these rogue cops, they might find that his racism developed over years of witnessing the horrible criminality among the worst of the black community. By no means an excuse; not at all, but I'm a fan of consistent thinking.

The reciprocal is that the body politic cannot promote or excuse the execution of cops. What is truly sad is that while I don't expect all black Americans to love cops, a whole lot of them do and most of them understand that with the bad comes a lot of good, but this mess is imperiling them all. If I were living in a crime ridden neighborhood wherein one of my kids doing her homework in her bedroom was shot and killed via a drive-by shooting, I think I would want a greater police presence rather than less, irrespective of what I thought about cops in general. The simple fact of the matter is that a black person has a much greater chance of being killed by another black person than a cop. The "attacks" (rhetorical and otherwise) will have the result of decreasing the level of policing required in high crime areas. Who suffers most from that? The cops? I don't think so.

I don't know of any regular in this forum who is against black cops, or for that matter believes Obama wants to impose Sharia law on the US. That's pretty wild hyperbole.

As for Obama wanting to outlaw personal ownership of guns and have the State seize those in existence? I don't believe he has ever had a plan for anything like that, but if he thought he could get away with it, I think he would.
Finn dAbuzz
 
  1  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 02:43 pm
@Lash,
Few things can be more obnoxious than someone who has read a book and then seeks to either proselytize it's theme or tell everyone else that they would think just like them if they only read the book.
snood
 
  1  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 04:05 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It is ironic that when one dubiously Republican candidate says something the Media finds offensive, the expectation and even demand is that all other Republicans must condemn him or her, but when a Democrat does...crickets

I'm sure you have a receptive audience in hawkeye and Billrm for this stuff, but at best it's ridiculous overstatement, and at worst, utter balderdash. You want to compare lists of outrageous, racist, vile or crazy statements or actions taken by Dems versus GOP just in the last 7 years, then compare the stark silences either side produced, when asked to denounce said activity? I really don't want to spend time in such a juvenile search, but I will if you want to stand by this stupid claim that Dems are so much more guilty of not calling out their own than the GOP. I guess I'll take solace in the fact that I won't do the research unless you do too.

It's not surprising that groups like BLM are not expected to condemn the calls for the murder of cops.

Again, such a broad rhetorical brush. Such highhanded crap. There have certainly been those from BLM that said those vile chants didn't represent them.

This is the progressive mind at work: As long you you are in basic agreement with their fundamental principles than you are granted the protection of emotional validity. Who are we (progressives) to judge or condemn the words or actions of other progressives if they are motivated by their own personal emotional experiences?

Dude you would be campy/ hilarious if you didn't take your own pronouncements soooo damn seriously. My god, the officiousness fairly seeps off the screen. "The progressive mind at work" indeed.
BillRM
 
  0  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 05:36 pm
@Lash,
Quote:
It's like busting up a cancer walkathon, yelling at them for not addressing the Swine Flu


Oh? so black lives matter only if those black lives are taken by police officers and not the thousands greater numbers taken by other blacks every year?

Sorry but the black so call leadership, if it care about black lives, would not be demonizing the police but working with them to reduced the crime rate with special note of the homicide rate in the poor black communities.

Trying falsely to portrayed the police as overrun with racists will end up costing more black lives not less!!
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BillRM
 
  1  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 05:42 pm
Quote:


http://onenewsnow.com/perspectives/michael-brown/2014/12/22/its-time-to-stop-demonizing-the-police

It's time to stop demonizing the policeMonday, December 22, 2014 | Dr. Michael L. Brown - Guest Columnist
http://www.askdrbrown.org/
Michael BrownThis is utterly despicable. From a biblical standpoint, policemen are God-appointed authorities entrusted with upholding the law, and it is sinful to call them "pigs" or to stir up hostile attitudes towards them. It's not a matter of race or ethnicity - it's a matter of right and wrong.


For the last few weeks I have been warning that the nationwide protests against police brutality have resulted in the demonizing of the police, as if cops in general have become the bad guys. Now, with reports that onlookers were "clapping and laughing" after the execution-style murder of two Brooklyn cops, those anti-police sentiments cannot be denied.

In my December 15 article, "Can a White Man Speak to Black Americans," I responded to those who have assured me that it is only the bad cops who are being criticized and that the protests have not stirred up wider, anti-police, anti-authority attitudes. To the contrary, I pointed out, "more and more policemen are fearing for their lives as they go about enforcing the law and doing their jobs, as protesters have even thrown rocks and explosives at them."

It turns out that those fears are now justified.

After all, it was only one week ago that protesters marching in Al Sharpton's "Million Marchers" protest in New York City were chanting, "What Do We Want? Dead Cops! When Do We Want Them? Now!" (Where was the immediate, categorical, nation-wide condemnation of these chants?)

As reported in the Daily Surge on December 20, "one week later, NYPD officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos were gunned down in their police vehicle execution style by an individual who bragged on Instagram that he was exacting revenge for Michael Brown and Eric Garner .... Looks like the protestors got their wish."

But it gets uglier still.

According to the Daily Beast, "the scene outside Woodhull Hospital" where the slain officers were taken "wasn't entirely supportive. 'You're a bunch of killers,' a passerby told cops standing sentry there, according to one police source. And [a] short distance from the crime scene – where a crowd was backed up by the police tape – a few members of the crowd repeated 'f--- the cops' within earshot of a Daily Beast reporter.

"One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didn't hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria afterwards and walked to the police tape.

"'A lot of people were clapping and laughing,' he said.

"Some were saying, 'They deserved it,' and another was shouting at the cops, 'Serves them right because you mistreat people!'" he said."

And in Ferguson, MO, "protesters chanted 'Pigs in a blanket'" in response to the slaying of the New York cops, with one of the protesters, Basreem Masri tweeting, "The police have no1 2blame but themselves4the cops getting murdered inNY."

This is utterly despicable.

Things have gotten to the point that New Jersey State PBA executive vice president Marc Kovar sent out an email Sunday morning urging all members and officers to "take extra caution and change up routines in the coming weeks," citing "heightened hostility from nationwide protests that he says has led to a 'fever pitch of anti-police sentiment.'"

That is the very point I have been making repeatedly – and for good reason.

It is highly commendable that the families of Michael Brown (in Ferguson) and Eric Garner (in New York) issued immediate statements denouncing the violence and offering condolences to the slain officers' families. (They were prompted to do this because the New York cop killer said he was carrying out his murderous act as revenge for the deaths of Brown and Garner. They, for their part, did the right thing by distancing themselves from the murders.)

Of course, I understand that in many parts of America, anti-police sentiments already existed, and, to repeat yet again, there is often a reason for these sentiments. Wherever policemen are corrupt or the legal system is bankrupt, we must continue to confront these evils.

At the same time, from a biblical standpoint, policemen are God-appointed authorities entrusted with upholding the law, and it is sinful to call them "pigs" or to stir up hostile attitudes towards them.

This is not a matter of race or ethnicity. It is a matter of right and wrong, and with the blood of these slain cops still fresh, it is high time that we work together to put a stop to this demonizing of the police.

I fully recognize that this was absolutely not the intent of the peaceful protesters, yet the overall effects of the protests can no longer be denied, which is why I have been raising so many concerns. (In the words of former New York City mayor Rudy Guliani, "We've had four months of propaganda, starting with the president, that everybody should hate the police. I don't care how you want to describe it – that's what those protests are all about.")

And since I called on famous athletes to make pro-police statements along with their other statements of solidarity, I commend the New York Jets and the Brooklyn Nets for holding a moment of silence before their Sunday games this weekend. It's just a terrible, tragic shame that this moment of silence needed to be held at all.

We can draw attention to injustice and brutality without demonizing the men and women who risk their lives to keep all of us safe.

As expressed by Daniel Ramos, the 13-year-old son of the murdered officer, "Everyone says they hate cops but they are the people that they call for help. I will always love you and I will never forget you. RIP Dad."


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Lash
 
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Sun 27 Sep, 2015 06:03 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
I'm just trying to share a great book. I agreed with what he said before I read it - he just says it much better than I ever did.

Anyway, I won't bother you more about it.
tony5732
 
  1  
Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:28 pm
@snood,
Ok. Who in BLM says the riots and looting and calls for violence are not ok, and then where do they fall on the hierarchy? Are these people who like BLM but don't agree with everything they do, or is it BLM taking a stance and drawing a line of how far they will go to send a message. I never heard of these people (save you) and I really don't know. I never heard any BLM member publicly condemn any of it. I have seen them downplay it, I have seen them excuse it, but never condemn it. I don't really care about the Republican/ Democrat crap because both sides can be equally ignorant, or have good ideas, it doesn't really matter conservative or liberal. BLM is the subject anyway.
BillRM
 
  1  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 08:10 am
@tony5732,
BLM by promoting more and unneeded conflicts with police is surely going to end up with more not less dead black young men and that is both damn sad and damn annoying.

Hell one of the main things that drug/crime gangs have going for them is the mistrust and fear of the local police departments by the black community and BLM whole program seems design to re-enforced that model of thinking while ignoring the sources of the overwhelming problems in that community.

Seems a wonderful recruiting tool for the gangs of the inner city.
tony5732
 
  0  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 10:42 am
@BillRM,
I would like to hear input on that question from snood preferably. If not snood, than someone who supports BLM. Not that I don't appreciate you not liking BLM, but I already know what you are going to say.
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 03:49 pm
@tony5732,
Quote:
I would like to hear input on that question from snood preferably. If not snood, than someone who supports BLM. Not that I don't appreciate you not liking BLM, but I already know what you are going to say.


An you do not know what Snood is going to say?

Let me guess for you and see how near I will be to Snood reply.

BLM members and leadership is under no more of an obligation to denounce the tiny fringe elements of their movement anymore then Christians need to denounce hate speak toward Jews by fringe Christians as it is a given.
hawkeye10
 
  2  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 05:23 pm
@BillRM,
Well that, and that they cant be expected to act any better because they are victims. Victims turn into abusers so often in part because we get sold solid rationalizations for it early in life by the victim culture advocates.
BillRM
 
  0  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 10:06 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Well that, and that they cant be expected to act any better because they are victims.


But the black culture does it even better then that as it not that they was victims it all due to their great or more grandparents who was the victims.
tony5732
 
  1  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 10:23 pm
@BillRM,
Well, no. I really don't know what he would say. I was very surprised he didn't have a problem calling out that the chants were disgusting, and he made a fair point that all BLM members don't necessarily support that part of the "movement". So I want to know, from a BLM enthusiast perspective, why BLM has not publicly done anything but excuse and downplay the riots, robbing, and violence towards police. Even if BLM has no obligation to do so, why wouldn't they speak up about it if this is not their message. People are doing these chants and rioting and looting these stores and putting BLM's name right on it. That would be like me taking a **** on a sandwich and selling it as a Wendy's hamburger. Needless to say, Wendy's would not be happy with it, they want to be known for tasty sandwiches. If this isn't what BLM is selling, why is this behavior not pissing them off?
MontereyJack
 
  4  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 10:26 pm
@BillRM,
Bullshi. Ever heard of segregation, bill? Ever heard of gutting the Voting Rights act? Ever heard of being pulled over and rousted for Driving While Black?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 11:05 pm
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Ever heard of being pulled over and rousted for Driving While Black?


Ever heard so much crying?http://www.acidpulse.net/images/smilies/crying.gif
hawkeye10
 
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Mon 28 Sep, 2015 11:18 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Ever heard of being pulled over and rousted for Driving While Black?


Ever heard so much crying?http://www.acidpulse.net/images/smilies/crying.gif

when you are part of a group that tends to do crime sane people are going to look at you a little more closely. the choices are:

Leave the group

Change the group

Whine

So when it comes to being black that means either raise the standards of black behavior or Whine,

we know which one gets picked.

The easy one.
oralloy
 
  -2  
Mon 28 Sep, 2015 11:43 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Bullshi. Ever heard of segregation,

Long since ended.


MontereyJack wrote:
Ever heard of gutting the Voting Rights act?

You mean where states pass anti-fraud measures to stop Democrats from cheating in elections?


MontereyJack wrote:
Ever heard of being pulled over and rousted for Driving While Black?

I've heard of it. I see the problem, but don't know of a good solution.

I expect that any attempt to discuss the issue will only result in bumper sticker slogans being chanted by the Leftists, so probably not worth the effort of addressing the subject in detail.
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MontereyJack
 
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Mon 28 Sep, 2015 11:56 pm
@hawkeye10,
So your arguing in favor of that fine old American primcle "guilty until proven innocent",hawk? That's what it amounts to, and that'swhat BLM isissed bout, nd deservedly so. It's not hat you ctually do, but what pople l,lile cops oftrn, think you MIGHT b doing, the automatic, yes racist, ssumptions made on the basis of no actul evidence, that we hve seen so many of reently, and oftn too esclation of force plied by the law well above what any infraction tht might have occurred hould have incurrred. It's not whining, joint, i's anger at dcades of unequal treatment. I remember DeBrown, the black Boston Celtic rousted driving his Ferrari within he speed limit in the tony suburb of Wellesley, where he lived, on suspicion of bank robbery. I remember Sk Gate, the zharvard professor, nearly getting arrested on suspicion of breaking into his own house, because he is black. It's cday to day indignities like that hat mount up and drive peope's anger.
 

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