tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 12:21 pm
@giujohn,
THANK YOU! Well said.
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tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:00 pm
@revelette2,
You got that right! I like BLM's racist ass "White cops suck" message as much as a black man might have enjoyed being told he had to be in a "special division" in world war 2. At least if its just a peaceful, non- violent, non- traffic blocking, non- sniper rifle, non- calling for pigs to fry like bacon, non- house burning, non- liquor store robbing protest it would fall into a respectable category of free speech. It would also help if BLM didn't run and hide behind the white police officers when guns start going off and then bash them the day after the white police officers died, protecting the protesters. That might be cool too.
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tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:04 pm
@revelette2,
Oh yeah, and don't block traffic. That's the important part. Traffic.
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tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:08 pm
@revelette2,
Or.. Or... Maybe if BLM could say ANYTHING to keep its more psychotic members under control before they do stupid ****... Anything. Anything at all. That would be a step forward for BLM.
ossobucotemp
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:12 pm
@revelette2,
I agree completely. What made me write about this is that I remember a thread on a2k, perhaps two years ago, about some protest in a town square.. where? maybe Boston or elsewhere in Massachusetts, and amidst the discussion about protests in that particular case, somehow access was clogged up. Bad idea on someone's part re safety.. and access in general.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:43 pm
@tony5732,
You're expectations of BLM is not reasonable. All human organizations have their strengths and weaknesses.
izzythepush
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 01:48 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I stopped trying to reason with him a long time ago. Some people aren't worth bothering with, save your time for those who are.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 03:28 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:

Re: parados (Post 6241499)
Maybe some of these cops should go back to the academy and learn to be policemen/women.


Some claim over training has gotten us the police we have:


Why Do Cops So Often Shoot To Kill?
08/19/2014 07:25 pm ET | Updated Aug 20, 2014

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/police-deadly-force_n_5693020.html

Sabrina Siddiqui Politics reporter, The Huffington Post
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON — The fatal shooting of a man by police on Tuesday near St. Louis kept the spotlight on law enforcement’s use of deadly force, as protests continue in nearby Ferguson over the police shooting death of teenager Michael Brown.

The two shootings bear little resemblance to one another. Brown was an unarmed teen who, according to eyewitnesses, was trying to surrender when a police officer shot him at least six times. The man killed on Tuesday, whose name hasn’t been released, was wielding a knife, according to police. When he refused officers’ orders to put down his weapon and walked toward them, they shot him to death, police said.

As tensions continue to flare over Brown’s death, many question the circumstances under which the law justifies a police officer’s use of deadly force. When faced with a perceived threat, why is it that many officers shoot to kill, rather than simply to wound?

Members of law enforcement are legally permitted to use deadly force when they have probable cause to believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm either to the officer or to others. In such cases, most officers are trained to shoot at a target’s center mass, where there is a higher concentration of vital areas and major blood vessels, according to a report by the Force Science Institute, a research center that examines deadly force encounters.

John Firman, director of research, programs, and professional services at the International Association of Chiefs of Police, said that shooting at a limb is impractical. Aiming at an arms or legs, which move fast, could result in a misfire that fails to neutralize the threat and may even hit the wrong person, he said. “The likelihood of success is low.”

“That’s a Hollywood myth,” Firman told The Huffington Post when asked why police officers don’t tend to shoot people in the limbs. “In all policy everywhere on force in any law enforcement agency in America, the bottom line statement should read: If you feel sufficiently threatened or if lives are threatened and you feel the need that you must use lethal force, then you must take out the suspect.”

Officers are trained to assess the risk before firing, Firman said, but often a situation escalates quickly. A guide from his association on officer-involved shootings states that deadly force is legally justified “to protect the officer or others from what is reasonably believed to be a threat of death or serious bodily harm; and to prevent the escape of a fleeing violent felon who the officer has probable cause to believe will pose a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

The legal justification for deadly force by police is informed by the 1985 Supreme Court ruling in Tennessee v. Garner, in which a pair of police officers fatally shot a 15-year-old boy after he fled from a burglary. It turned out the boy had stolen a purse and just $10 from a house, and the Court ruled that a police officer may only use deadly force to prevent the escape of a violent felon.

Some law enforcement officials said the question of whether officers should shoot to wound or kill misses the point. Officers are often forced to make a split-second decision and are trained to try and deescalate the situation before firing.

Troy Church, a former police chief in Maiden, North Carolina, said officers are trained to shoot to stop a suspect who poses an imminent threat. “Can death result? Certainly it can,” Church wrote in an email. “But you are not trained to kill.”

Peter Jirasek, a retired police sergeant and criminal justice educator from Illinois, explained that the concept of shooting to wound would not hold up under Tennessee v. Garner. Jirasek said it’s unfair to simply state that officers are trained to kill when lethal force is justified in some cases and discouraged in others by law.

“If you only seek to wound someone by shooting, you do not have justification to shoot at all,” Jirasek said. “An attempt to shoot to wound all too often can end up in death. It does no good if a police officer says, ‘I was just trying to wound and ended up killing somebody,’ because that officer now faces criminal prosecution, not to mention a civil lawsuit. And the law will say the officer better be justified in using deadly force.”

Jirasek added that tasers and bean bag rounds have been instituted as lesser forms of force if an officer needs to bring a suspect into compliance but has no reason to use deadly force.

Some have argued that law enforcement protocol and training should be re-examined in the wake of Brown’s death, since he was unarmed and, according to eyewitnesses, wasn’t posing a significant threat to the police officer who shot him. Studies have found that police officers are more likely to use excessive force toward black men than toward whites.

This article was edited after publication to add additional context about the use of deadly force, and the headline was changed to reflect that context. Quotes were also added from Troy Church and Peter Jirasek.
TheCobbler
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 07:06 pm
Does that dog look dangerous to you?
https://www.facebook.com/policethepoliceACP/videos/1429772203706438/

Just WTF! Speechless.
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TheCobbler
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 07:32 pm
Black firefighter’s neighbor — and training colleague — charged with burning his house down
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/black-firefighters-neighbor-and-training-colleague-charged-with-burning-his-house-down/
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momoends
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 09:42 pm
@giujohn,
can´t anybody see all this is the result of guns proliferation among the population? really?
momoends
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 09:43 pm
@izzythepush,
he may not be a racist... just a fascist
tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 11:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
How is simply saying "we are not here to shoot cops" unreasonable? Or, "Robbing **** and burning people's places to the ground is a misrepresentation of what our organization is about". How is saying that unreasonable? At least if they did that, I could distinguish the peaceful organization from the people who say they are in the organization doing stupid ****. Right now there isn't a difference. That is what goes on and that is what Black Lives Matter not only fails to separate itself from, but actually promotes.
tony5732
 
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Sat 6 Aug, 2016 11:46 pm
@momoends,
Guns are not the problem, people who shoot guns are. That philosophy is similar to letting the government cut off a penis to prevent STD's. It not only won't work, but we would have even less rights and personal freedom in this country.
izzythepush
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 12:44 am
@momoends,
I think the two go hand in hand. They claim not to be racist, (only by their narrow definition,) but use offensive language and stereotypes so casually they couldn't be anything but.
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momoends
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 01:22 am
@tony5732,
it´s not similar at all, it´s more like considering cocaine dangerous and damaging and therefore, make selling and consuming it illegal....
or not being allowed to take drugs isn´t depriving citizens of their rights and restricting their freedom?
what about drinking and driving? why should we be deny the right to decide whether we are capable enough to drive after having some drinks with the boys?
Guns are as dangerous and damaging as cocaine and for sure quite more than weed is... You would be safer with a gun if you were the only one who owned one, when the other part owns a bigger one (and if they are not idiots, those who plan on assaulting somebody would provide themselves with a gun more powerful than the average) you won´t be able to protect yourself better with a gun than you would if guns were illegal
revelette2
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 06:02 am
@bobsal u1553115,
I understand after reading your article and it seems an area which seriously needs to be rethought and reformed.

I was responding to a post where a cop had to shoot some eighty something times in order to kill his suspect.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 07:03 am
@revelette2,
Someone taught that cop to shoot until he bagged his man.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 07:15 am
2 Jailers Moved Into Policing Jobs After Bland's Death
Source: Associated Press

By nomaan merchant, associated press

DALLAS — Aug 6, 2016, 10:43 AM ET

Less than two months after the death of Sandra Bland, a black woman who was jailed in Texas after a routine traffic stop, two of her jailers quietly moved to other jobs.

Rafael Zuniga and Michael Serges left the Waller County sheriff's office in September 2015 for the Waller Police Department, a smaller agency with less responsibility, according to state records obtained by The Associated Press. They started work on the same day.

They have kept those jobs even after admitting under oath their roles in falsifying a jail monitoring log that indicated guards checked on Bland an hour before she was found hanging in her cell in July 2015, according to an attorney for the Bland family, which has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the county and several employees, including the two former jailers. Local authorities ruled Bland's death a suicide.

Attorney Tom Rhodes told the AP this week that Zuniga acknowledged in a deposition that the log was filled out in advance with times that he supposedly conducted cell checks. Serges acknowledged that he signed the bottom of the log sheet at the beginning of the shift before any actual checks, according to Rhodes, who described the depositions but did not provide transcripts to the AP.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/jailers-moved-policing-jobs-blands-death-41164850


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bobsal u1553115
 
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Sun 7 Aug, 2016 07:21 am
Chicago police may have violated policy in fatal shooting: official
Source: Reuters

Chicago Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson said on Saturday that videos of the police shooting of a black man in the city last month indicate three officers may have violated the department's policies.

Johnson told a news conference it was against departmental policy to fire at or into a moving car when the vehicle was the only potential use of force by a suspect, and police were taking a hard look at training and tactics following the shooting.

Authorities on Friday released videos that captured the moments before and after police shot Paul O'Neal, 18, on July 28, but not the shooting itself because a police officer's body camera was not recording. No firearms were found on O'Neal, who was shot in the back, according to police.

Johnson was named in March to lead the department, which is facing accusations of racism and a federal investigation into its practices after the city waited more than a year to release video of a separate 2014 fatal shooting by officers.

On Saturday, he said the ongoing investigation prevented him from discussing details about the O'Neal shooting.
"I was concerned by some of the things that I saw on the videos and that is why we took such a swift action that we did last week to relieve the three officers of their police powers," Johnson said.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-police-chicago-idUSKCN10H0M0
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