@giujohn,
Quote:We should always be wary of people who are as obsessed as Bob and Izzy are... very dangerous.
As mentioned earlier - I currently think that Bob is more passionate and one eyed than anything else.
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Izzy...well, he can present logically in most things. I've even seen any number of things he's said that I agree with. Unfortunately, when his hatred is triggered, then his ability to recognise / acknowledge logic seems to go out of the window.
He is particuarly one eyed about the religion of Islam. He won't listen to any criticism of Islam: Not of it's it's ideology (even if you quote Quranic texts); he won't acknowledge any Terrorist event in the name of Islam, won't acknowledge the frequency or severity or width (within the world) of such terrorist events; He won't acknowledge Muslim persecution of Christians (Boko Haram, Abu Shayyaf, Egyptian Copts, the Armenian genocide etc) nor of other minority groups; And he definitely won't discuss whether or not Islam's ideology contributes such intolerance / events (eg. the Quran calls Jews/Christians/unbelievers: dogs, cattle, monkeys, pigs, worst of beasts, liars, corrupt, haters, worshippers of satan, losers etc. Often, over and over again. You only need to start reading it for yourself to find this out, or if you wish a shortcut, google 'list of intolerance in the Quran' and reference it against Quran.com)
It is that topic that created his very personal hatred of me. Having read several chapters of the Quran, some of the Hadiths, looked into Mohammeds life, what it means to be Muslim (the example of Mohammed is integral to being a Muslim), and the history of violent expansion following Mohammeds death...I came to the conclusion that it's ideology, and the example of Mohammed (and his nearest followers) is not peaceful. I also came to the conclusion that people in the West are woefully ignorant of what is in Islam's holy texts, and of Mohammeds life. Sprinkled throughout my posts - I've said that people need to look into this for themselves, and make up their own mind - from knowledge rather than ignorance or propoganda.
http://quran.com/
He hates those views with a passion.
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That hatred spills over into other threads where I challenge peoples logic, fairness in applying principles, or otherwise - like here.
I have all the time in the world for activists (again, people who speak up about perceived problems are needed in this world)...I just ask that they ensure their views are well grounded, fair and even handed. Being such will compliment their passion, result in a greater sense of humanity (which then comes through in their speech), and result in incredibly strong arguments
I think Martin Luther Kings 'I had a dream, that all men were created equal' was one of those types of speeches. It doesn't just say that black americans would be equal to white americans...but that
everyone would be seen as
human by their fellow humans.