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@vikorr,

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/10/asia/australia-police-shoot-3-bystanders/

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'I'm so sorry': Australian police probed after shooting 3 bystanders

(CNN)Two Australian police officers face an investigation after shooting three innocent bystanders outside a suburban shopping mall, while confronting a psychiatric patient armed with a knife.

I'm sure police are set standards to achieve to pass their firearms tests (or whatever), so why do they keep missing?

Personally I'd put it down to adrenalin (makes your hands shake), coupled with the inaccuracy of pistols.

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@giujohn,

Wah wah wah. You're interested in the the number but not the fact he shot a complying black man laying down - as he was told, hands up - as he was told!

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Family fears for autistic man's safety after police shooting
Source: Associated Press

Family fears for autistic man's safety after police shooting

Updated 7:12 pm, Saturday, July 23, 2016

MIAMI (AP) — The autistic man who was the intended target of a police bullet is suffering from emotional distress, not eating and traumatized following the shooting of his caretaker.

Arnaldo Rios' mother, Gladys Soto, said during a Saturday news conference that she is worried about the safety of her son, who wandered back to the site of the Monday shooting a day later, threw himself on the ground and shouted: "I hate the police, I hate the police," The Miami Herald (http://hrld.us/2a6i7OP) reported Saturday.

"It's too emotional to see your baby caught up in something like this," Soto said. Miriam Soto said her brother is suffering from night terrors and is not sleeping or eating.

"He's not the same anymore," Miriam Soto said of her brother.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Family-fears-for-autistic-man-s-safety-following-8405245.php

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Clinton to call on Black Lives Matter at Dem convention
Source: The Hill

By Devin Henry - 07/23/16 06:04 PM EDT

The mothers of several African-Americans killed by police or gun violence will be put in the spotlight at the Democratic National Convention.

The Mothers of the Movement will put presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton’s embrace of the Black Lives Matter movement at center stage.

It will also highlight a significant contrast with Donald Trump, the Republican presidential nominee who, at the GOP convention last week, embraced a “law and order” message that is implicitly critical of Black Lives Matter.

Indeed, two speakers at the Republican National Convention, both African-Americans themselves, offered scathing assessments of Black Lives Matter, arguing it has been a divisive presence in public life.

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@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

Full story → http://bit.ly/1hhbYOD

Police The Police
https://www.facebook.com/policethepoliceACP/videos/vb.540176322666035/1415722405111418/?type=2&theater

Armed with a pen knife they could not have fired a warning shot? Or aimed for a leg? No! They use EXCESSIVE FORCE! Why not drop a nuclear bomb on him? Oh it is illegal to fire a warning shot so they fire many random shots instead???
As long as **** like this is happening this thread will remain highly relevant.

It's clear you know nothing about police training nor do you want to understand what happened in the video all you want to do is emotionally and fanatically rant about how the police are premeditated racist murders.
Fact number one, police officers are restricted from firing warning shots, fact number two, police officers are restricted from shooting to wound, both are a danger to the surrounding public, fact number three, when an assailant is within 21 feet of you with a knife and starting to move towards you he is a direct threat even if you are armed with a firearm, fact number four a knife will go right through the average police ballistic vest, fact number five, police are taught to keep shooting until the threat has ended, fact number six, police are taught to handcuff all assailants even those who appear to be dead as in the past some of those thought lying dead ended up killing that officer.
In the video the assailant is not complying with the officers and is clearly moving towards the K-9 Officer when he was shot.

So endeth the lesson. Let the ranting begin.

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@vikorr,

vikorr wrote:

If you pay attention to police media releases

1. they don't fire warning shots because that stray bullet could kill an innocent person (and nor is it guaranteed to work). I think that is fair enough enough.

2. they don't aim for the extremities because:
- it's much harder to hit the extremities; and
- if they miss, that stray bullet may hit an innocent person
- they are only meant to shoot when they fear for their lives...if they shoot the extremity, that doesn't stop the threat
- if they don't stop the threat, the threat they are shooting to stop continues, and someone may get killed

I'm sure if you add into that adrenalin dumps, and how inaccurate pistols are, you get a fair picture of the challenges and difficulties.

As for a pen knife (depending on it's type), that is as capable of killing as a larger knife: heart, neck (artery), eye (brain), groin (artery). Nor should they ever be expected to take stab wounds in order to do their job (as is implied when someone says 'it was only a penknife, why did they have their firearms out)

I did see him advancing on what looked to be a dog handler - but that was difficult to see. I'm not truly sure what happened there.

I do wonder:
- why the dog wasn't used. The dog may have been stabbed, the guy might have been bitten, bit it may have resolved the issue (I think)
- why, when they had so many guns pointed at him, one couldn't have tried a taser
- why they couldn't move back with him (he didn't seem to run, so it didn't seem to be that they couldn't move back)

I don't think I could form a real opinion until I had seen & heard everyone. Maybe he said 'I'll kill you' as he advanced.

Once again thank you for your well reasoned reply let me answer a couple of questions do you had... the canine was probably not employed because the officers were giving the subject and opportunity to comply. The K-9 Officer wouldn't have been in charge of the scene typically and at the point where the subject Advanced on the K-9 Officer there was no time for the other officers to coordinate a command to the K-9 Officer to release his dog.
In this situation the use of a taser may have been problematic based on the distance and the erratic movement of the subject also they may not have had a taser at their disposal I'm not sure which department this is or what their regulation issue is. Also tasers are not typically used against armed assailants. The reason is that they are not completely effective in many instances. They are usually used for non-compliant physically combative subjects. As for backing up that would just increase the distance they would have to shoot at and also increase the chances of a miss or a stray bullet hitting an innocent bystander.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Family fears for autistic man's safety after police shooting
Source: Associated Press

Family fears for autistic man's safety after police shooting

Updated 7:12 pm, Saturday, July 23, 2016

MIAMI (AP) — The autistic man who was the intended target of a police bullet is suffering from emotional distress, not eating and traumatized following the shooting of his caretaker.

Arnaldo Rios' mother, Gladys Soto, said during a Saturday news conference that she is worried about the safety of her son, who wandered back to the site of the Monday shooting a day later, threw himself on the ground and shouted: "I hate the police, I hate the police," The Miami Herald (http://hrld.us/2a6i7OP) reported Saturday.

"It's too emotional to see your baby caught up in something like this," Soto said. Miriam Soto said her brother is suffering from night terrors and is not sleeping or eating.

"He's not the same anymore," Miriam Soto said of her brother.

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/Family-fears-for-autistic-man-s-safety-following-8405245.php

But of course... how else to file a big fat lawsuit.

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@giujohn,

Spoken as someone truly ignorant of autism. This incident would have been extremely distressing for an autistic kid and will have a profound effect on the rest of his life. He will be having nightmares for a very long time. I hope there is a law suit because the police board was criminally negligent in employing a racist murderer.

Never mind you can autism to a very long list of things you know absolutely nothing about like proper policing.

I see you've found a kindred spirit in Vikorr, that's far from surprising. You both go out of your way to condemn all Muslims and black people while simultaneously bending over backwards to justify racist killers.

You're not doing a very good job of convincing people that all cops aren't racist. That has everything to do with you being a racist ex cop yourself.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Spoken as someone truly ignorant of autism. This incident would have been extremely distressing for an autistic kid and will have a profound effect on the rest of his life. He will be having nightmares for a very long time. I hope there is a law suit because the police board was criminally negligent in employing a racist murderer.

Never mind you can autism to a very long list of things you know absolutely nothing about like proper policing.

I see you've found a kindred spirit in Vikorr, that's far from surprising. You both go out of your way to condemn all Muslims and black people while simultaneously bending over backwards to justify racist killers.

You're not doing a very good job of convincing people that all cops aren't racist. That has everything to do with you being a racist ex cop yourself.

I'll be waiting for you to show me the proof that this agency hired a racist murdering police officer... By the way your rabid fanatical opinion doesn't count as proof.

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@giujohn,

Your unrelenting racist cant exposes itself every time you post.

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@bobsal u1553115,

Ah huh... still waiting for the proof Bob. Still waiting for somebody to show me that the police departments are purposely hiring racist murdering police officers. I mean if the problem is so rampant as you claim there must be a systemic cause which can only be that there is a purposeful move to screen out those who are not racist or who do not have a murderous intent but to instead find those who are clearly racists who have no problem with indiscriminately killing people for no cause... And maybe they're secretly paying these police officers extra bonuses from a secret fund... Yeah that must be it.

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@giujohn,

The video of an unarmed black man being shot is proof enough.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

The video of an unarmed black man being shot is proof enough.

Let me guess you used to be the chief Arbiter at the Salem Witch Trails right? Thank you for your fanatical hysterical observation... And thank you for proving my point that you are a fanatical hysterical bleeding heart liberal whose only purpose is to malign the police and whose only reason could be the want of complete Anarchy.

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@giujohn,

Your bigotry is now common knowledge on a2k.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Your bigotry is now common knowledge on a2k.

It's true I am bigoted against hysterical fanatical bleeding heart liberals... I think they should all be gathered up and taken to a reeducation camp where they can be properly indoctrinated... so that they are no longer a danger the world.

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@giujohn,

Seeing is believing unless you're a racist who won't believe his own eyes. They didn't have video evidence at the Salem witch trials. (Any chemist will tell you.) And it happened in America, not over here.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Seeing is believing unless you're a racist who won't believe his own eyes. They didn't have video evidence at the Salem witch trials. (Any chemist will tell you.) And it happened in America, not over here.

I have found a maxim to be true that you might want to adopt... Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see... Then again if you have half a brain and that's going to be off of difficult for you.

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A police officer has the authority of two Americans. This is why it takes two Americans to make a citizen's arrest but only one police officer to make the same arrest.

When a police officer lies on stand or to the public this should carry the penalty of two sentences.

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@TheCobbler,

TheCobbler wrote:

A police officer has the authority of two Americans. This is why it takes two Americans to make a citizen's arrest but only one police officer to make the same arrest.

When a police officer lies on stand or to the public this should carry the penalty of two sentences.

What country do you live in? Now I'm not positive of all 50 states but I can tell you that the vast majority probably 48 if not 49 do not require two people in order to affect the citizen's arrest... Case and point private security inside stores detain people for shoplifting and cause their arrest on a daily basis.

There are some states that require it to be a felony in order to effect a citizen's arrest but other than that I don't recall any of the states saying there has to be two people in order to do it.

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@izzythepush,

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I see you've found a kindred spirit in Vikorr, that's far from surprising. You both go out of your way to condemn all Muslims and black people while simultaneously bending over backwards to justify racist killers.

You're such a liar izzy.

I condemn the religion of Islam as opposed to Muslims (the followers - many of whom don't know their own texts, but take an Imams words) - as you well know, with me having to correct you on this lie of yours, what, 10=20 times?

For the record here - I call you a liar.

You can easily disprove this accusation by trying to link several posts of mine where I attack Muslims, rather than the ideology/ religion of Islam.

And please don't be stupid enough to link posts where all I do is link newspaper articles of terrorist attacks (which is just a news story of a current event) - show something where I offer a written personal opinion. It should be easy as I've posted hundreds of posts on this subject.

Unliked your hateful vitriol that you have so often directed at me, I have never directed such at you. I have consistently said:
- most westerners aren't curious enough to look into the Islamic holy texts, and Mohammed for themselves
- they aren't curious enough to look into whether or not Islamic holy texts match what is happening in the world today (in regards to Islamic terrorism)
- if they do so, I am happy for them to come to their own opinion, even if it differs from mine.

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