Black Lives Matter

I think he's a Bernie man.

Dont think so. If Bernie runs third party it will elect Trump. Its what the people like Lash and Edgar are hoping for.

I happened to open Media Matters today, do from time to time to keep up with what the media is reporting wrongly. Anyway, ran across this, It is O'Reilly so you know it is going to be wrong.

O'Reilly: "Black Lives Matter Is Killing Americans"

Bill O'Reilly: "There Is A Violent Sub-Culture In The African-American Community That Should Be Exposed And Confronted"



And then we wonder how Trump could have gotten so far in the presidential race. A certain large segment has been eating up this crap for over twenty years. Of course it is going to have an effect; which was the whole purpose.

Fact of the matter is, according to the FBI, whites commit 69% of violent crimes in this country.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf

I am more anti-liberal than pro trump. Trump is kind of a piece of **** and everyone knows it. However, as a blue collar white guy in America who holds a half decent job, he's the only one on my team. I don't want my hard earned money being spent paying off school for college kids who picked the wrong career, and I don't like getting looked down at for being less educated.

I am also super tired of being stereotyped as "racist white guy". It's like being white is evil and all the white guys are super privileged snobs stepping on everyone. That seemed to be the justification all three times I got robbed, my mom got robbed, and when my brother got beat then robbed. I am tired of the justice system being bent over by minority activist groups playing race cards every time something goes wrong, racist or not. Racism happens, but being a white cop, or white guy does not make you racist. Being a racist prick makes you a racist, regardless of color.

I think it comes down to perspective, but it's going to work out better for me if Trump gets in than Clinton.

OReilly is Trump lite.

I get annoyed with racists who think the worst thing that can happen to them is themselves being labeled racist.

Bill O’Reilly’s Making This Up: His Latest Racial Bloviating Is Just Plain Fiction

Scaring Fox News viewers with tales of black thuggery and anti-white violence is central to his gimmick.
By Chauncey DeVega / Salon
May 28, 2016


From the end of the Civil War to the first few decades of the 20th century, white mobs killed many thousands of black Americans across the United States.

White newspapers played a key role in encouraging white mob violence, racial pogroms, and other acts of white racial terrorism.

For example, in 1906, Atlanta’s newspapers incited anti-black violence with stories and headlines such as:

“Extra! Third Assault on White Woman by a Negro Brute!”

“Extra! Bold Negro Kisses White Girl’s Hand!”

‘Extra! Bright Mulatto Insults White Girls!”

“Vigorous Appeal for White Supremacy”

Priming the white residents of Atlanta to kill black people en masse, these newspapers also including demands for vigilante justice:

“Men of Fulton, what will you do to stop these outrages against the women? … Shall these black devils be permitted to assault and almost kill our women, and go unpunished?”

If transported to an earlier era, Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly would have been a perfect fit for such publications.

On Wednesday’s edition of his show, O’Reilly drew inspiration from his racist journalism ancestors when he sounded the cries of alarm about “a violent subculture in the African-American community that should be exposed and confronted”:

First, the stats, and they are stunning. Since the Ferguson chaos, murders in the USA’s 15 largest cities are up close to 17 percent. And much higher in cities with large black populations. In Chicago, for example, this year alone, shootings up around 80 percent.. Why? Because Chicago police have stopped stopping suspicious people.

So-called pedestrians stops are down 90 percent in the windy city. When you fail to police people proactively, people commit more crimes. The media will not spotlight that much of the violent crime in America is being committed right now by young black men. In fact, Black males between the ages of 14 and 17 commit homicide at a rate 10 times higher than White and Hispanic male teenagers combined. And Blacks of all ages commit homicide at a rate of eight times higher than Whites and Hispanics combined.

Conclusion? There is a violent subculture in the African-American community that should be exposed and confronted. Enter the Black Lives Matter crew which roams around the country promoting a false narrative that American police officers are actively hunting down and killing blacks. Here’s the truth. Police shot Whites at a rate of 50 percent in 2015. Police shot blacks at a rate of 26 percent. In addition, Black Lives Matter is now infringing on freedom of assembly and freedom of expression…

So, summing up, thousands more Americans are being murdered because police are being more passive. Since the Ferguson situation and the Black Lives Matter protests. Talking Points believes every American should know that, should know the truth. Sympathetic media and many race hustlers are backing Black Lives Matter and the final indignity, members of the group have even been invited to the White House. And that’s “The Memo.”

Instead of fears and rumors of “negro uprisings” and “black beast rapists”, O’Reilly has chosen to focus on the imagined bogeyman “Black Lives Matter.”

This is not the first time that Bill O’Reilly has trafficked in anti-black animus. Scaring the viewers of Fox News with tales of black thuggery and anti-white violence is central to his gimmick and shtick.

Of course, Bill O’Reilly’s claim that “Black Lives Matter” is “killing” “Americans” is fantastical and untrue. His “logic” is desperate and bizarre: he conflates black college students protesting a conservative propagandist with street violence by drug dealers and gang members. And based on his use of “statistics” about “black crime,” it is also apparent that Bill O’Reilly does not understand the difference between correlation and causation.

In all, O’Reilly most recent act of racist bloviating is a hodgepodge of white supremacist talking points and fictions pulled from the Right-wing “news” echo chamber. It is also proof of the harm that white racial paranoiac thinking can do to both a person’s understanding of empirical reality and personal ethics.

Bill O’Reilly’s fixation on Black Lives Matter is based on a belief that it is a violent organization. In reality, Black Lives Matter is a loose umbrella coalition of individuals of all colors who believe that police thuggery and other state sponsored abuse and killings of African-Americans must end. Based on their own statements and other material, the Black Lives Matter movement rejects violence.

O’Reilly’s argument on Wednesday’s edition of his TV show pivots on a belief in the “Ferguson effect”. This is the erroneous idea that the uprising against a racist and out of control police force in Ferguson, Missouri, one that was operating a de facto debt peonage collection racket against the black community in that area, has spread across America and has made the country’s police afraid to do their jobs. Of course,there is no such data to support such an assertion; the claim of a so-called Ferguson effect has been repeatedly exposed by criminologists and other experts as a lie. If anything, America’s police are refusing to do their jobs in an act of protest against being held to be basic standards of professional accountability.

There is a deeper ugliness in O’Reilly’s and other members of the Right-wing news disinformation entertainment media’s fixation on the “Ferguson effect.” It is based on a belief that America’s police are unable to do their jobs properly unless they can beat, abuse, harass, and kill African-Americans and other people of color with impunity. In this worldview, black and brown Americans are not allowed the same civil liberties and constitutionally protected rights as white people. This is the logic of the infamous Dred Scott decision and Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger Taney’s decision that “black people “have no rights that the white man is bound to respect” into the Age of Obama.

Bill O’Reilly’s claims about a dramatic increase in “black crime” as spurned on by “Black Lives Matter” represent a failure in inference. There is no evidence of the “Ferguson effect”. Consequently, his basic causal claim is incorrect.

His worries and panic about “black crime” and “black violence” lacks context and are simply a recycling of white supremacist talking points that embody the Right-wing shift from outright bigotry rooted in old fashioned claims of black biological inferiority to the more modern argument that African-Americans possess “bad culture.”

Most importantly, violent crime in the United States is at record lows. If there has been an increase in violent crime in America’s central cities it is likely caused by a seasonal cycle where warmer months bring more people on the streets and into contract with one another.

In his effort to gin up a panic about “black crime”, O’Reilly conveniently ignores how most crime in the United States is intraracial. This is a function of segregation and racially homogeneous social and other inter-personal networks. Moreover, most violent crime is committed by a relative, friend, or acquaintance.

Bill O’Reilly enthusiastically recites statistics about “violent” “black men”.

It is a given that O’Reilly also does not include how the vast majority of blacks are incarcerated for non-violent drug offenses. He also does not comment on how black and brown Americans (as well as people who live in working class and poor communities, more broadly) are subjected to “over-policing” which inflates arrest rates as compared to whites, and racist sentencing practices where blacks and Latinos are punished more severely than whites for the same crimes.

O’Reilly’s racist screed about a war on “good” and “law-abiding” (white) Americans by “black criminals” also conveniently ignores that a very small percentage of black people will ever commit a violent crime. As professor Jody Armour argues in his book Negrophobia, O’Reilly and other Right-wing “black crime” provocateurs and hate merchants willfully choose to not understand that one cannot generalize from aggregate data to make reliable predictions about the probability that a given person—in this case an African-American—will commit a criminal act.

Ultimately, social scientists and other researches have repeatedly demonstrated that in these discussions of “black crime,” race is just a proxy variable for poverty, housing segregation, income and wealth disparities, broken schools, and other social dynamics. When those problems are alleviated, the life chances and outcomes of black Americans vastly improve and thus become much more similar to those of white families in the same economic cohort.

There is a base hypocrisy in Bill O’Reilly and other conservatives feigned concerns about bad “black culture” in the United States’ “inner cities”: the Republican Party and the White Right have no interest in fixing America’s broken social safety net, fighting racial discrimination in housing and jobs, correcting income and wealth inequality, restricting easy access to guns, confronting the problem of mass incarceration, or stopping the War on Drugs through legalization.

Unpacking Bill O’Reilly’s efforts to incite a Jim and Jane Crow style white racial panic (and yes, preemptive violence) against black Americans points to an uncomfortable truth that Bill O’Reilly and other white conservatives are loathe to publicly discuss.

As I have written about repeatedly here at Salon, there are whole categories of crime such as right-wing domestic terrorism, treason, cannibalistic serial killing, and spree shootings in high schools and other places that are dominated by white men and boys.

If Bill O’Reilly is really concerned about crimes that are killing the American people, many more people have been harmed and had their lives stolen both directly and indirectly by the actions of huge corporations and the banking and financier class–a group that is almost exclusively comprised of white men–than by “Black Lives Matter” or “black crime.” While the American corporate news media is momentarily fixated on what it has identified as a “trend” of white suffering and the deaths of despair (suicide; drug and alcohol abuse; opiate addiction) among the “white working class” it has, of course, failed to discuss how it is white men who have created this perilous situation and not black Americans or other people of color.

If there is a “culture” that is “killing” Americans, it is one that on a macro and elite level is led, created, and directed by a group of people who look like Bill O’Reilly.

Fox News and Bill O’Reilly most certainly will not do a feature on that problem.

Bill O'Reilly's is my father-in-law's favorite TV show. I even got him a book written by O'Reilly for Christmas. (how is that family love?) I don't think O'Reilly cares if his stats and facts are proven wrong. Once he says anything by his watchers and fans, his fans just accept it as the gospel truth and no amount of fact checking is going to change it. Needless to say my father-in-law is like minded. It is just something we have to accept. My mother-in-law used to be, but these couple of years she has changed her attitude remarkably on it. Could be on account of beautiful bi-racial granddaughter who she just loves.(so does he, but my granddaughter is light skinned with black features, very pretty, if she was darker... got to admit it was their first comment on how light she was.)

All lives matter. Not some. Not just the ones we agree with or like... or are. All lives. Young.... old.... Rich.... poor... slave.... free... weak... strong... white.... black... Chinese... Islamic... Republican... Democratic... middle of the road...

All lives.

Just because they don't necessarily matter to you... or another "specific group" or "cause" doesn't mean they don't matter to someone else. No one is an island unto themselves... No matter how much they would like to believe that because that's what their ego says. Creating more "causes" will never fix this. The problem is in the heart, not the mind.

My wife used to be Billo lover. But she's totally flipped on loofa boy this last year.

This thread is meant to address the fact that American society all too often considers people of color, blacks in particular, as worth considerably less than white lives. It does not assert that white lives don't matter.

Of course all lives matter, but this is the first time its ever been specifically said out loud: Black Lives Matter.

I've always known my white male life mattered but I am sure not all PoC ever knew their own lives ever did.

Say it out loud a few times: "Black lives matter!" See? It diminished no other lives by saying it.

If you don't mind me asking, what changed her mind on it? Too many times he has been discredited?

I shouldn't need to say it out loud... as if I am trying to convince even myself. I know they matter just as much as mine, yours, and everyone. Who we are is not defined by this outward shell... no matter what color, ethnic background, sexual orientation, chosen religous or political views. People will remember us more for our actions than the color of our skin when we are gone. The legacy I choose to leave behind is love. For all.

I don't look at things like anyone else. I don't want to. Its pretty ugly when you step out of your own perspective and see all the ugliness pointing back at you.

OMG Bill5731, I'd forgotten all about you. To ignore with you!

It started about two years she just got tired of him shouting over people and calling others names and it just progressed since then.

She's probably vote for Bernie, as a write in if she has to. She quit wearing the "Curlie for President" button a couple of weeks ago. She'll never vote for Hillary or Donald.

I think you're missing the point. Does the discomfiture of the majority override the empowerment derived for the first recognition of the sentiment: black life matter.

Seriously, say it along with me: black lives matter.

Because black lives do matter.

All lives matter.

I don't really have time to listen to the same poor black people speech EVERY day, just when I get kind of bored, or pissed off because Black Lives Matter (the group, not the concept cobbler) decides to go wrecking **** again. Not like police stations where cops are, but people's houses and business places and such. People who had nothing to do with the situation at all, BLM wrecks their ****. Because that makes sense to certain types of people, who are ignorant as ****, and belong to Black Lives Matter. I hope Ben Carson gets to be vice president. He would be a good role model.

I'm with you, all lives matter. However you are on the Black Lives Matter post, and black lives matter is a group that wants special attention paid to people because of the color of their skin. Black or white. There is only two colors in this post, and one side.