Black Lives Matter

@cicerone imposter,

So that is an excused for young black men to killed other young black men at a rate of around five times other groups or to burn down blocks of cities from time to time.

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@cicerone imposter,

An once more how does the average length of sentences being unfair between blacks and other groups call for massive homicide rate or riots and looting for that matter.

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Holy crap, he's totally incoherent.

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@glitterbag,

I enjoy it as comedy. ha ha ha....

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@cicerone imposter,

How can he make so many spelling errors?

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@snood,

Failure to ignore is a problem here. Tony whatsit has been argued with exponentially, which brings him to volumes of back and forths.
Can't any of us ever shut up?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Statistical facts tells me blacks spend more time in jail than whites for the same crimes.

I question whether those statistical facts are accurate.

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@glitterbag,

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CI "I enjoy it as comedy. ha ha ha...."

For myself I find truly amazing is that a man who in a long lifetime had read less books then I normally read in a month or two had the courage to challenge others here at all.

Too bad that CI was born too late to be a member in good standing of the no nothing party.

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@oralloy,

All you need to do is present credible information that refutes those "facts."
There's a WSJ article that shows blacks spend 20% more time. Do you trust the WSJ or not?

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@tony5732,

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FORGET the KKK part

Thank you.

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Ok. Black Lives Matter is a hate group that uses violence, hate, fear tactics, and skin color to make a statement.

a) it's not a hate group and the vast majority of it supporters do not use those tactics AND there are plenty of white people protesting under that banner

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Why does a group that uses the tactic deserve to be treated any different than ANY other group doing the same thing?

b) The 'group' does not use those tactics - or condone them. Individuals do. See a)

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@hingehead,

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The 'group' does not use those tactics - or condone them. Individuals do. See a)

The same BULLSHIT as if you was using the same weak logic to defend the NAZI or the KKK or the members of any hate outfit.

Well not everyone that belong to the Nazi party support murdering jews and homosexuals and not everyone who is a KKK member support hanging of blacks.

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@hingehead,

I have not once heard BLM representation ever say they don't condone the fry pigs like bacon statement, or the robbing, looting, etc. Not once have they asked people under the BLM "banner" to stop what they were doing in Ferguson, or New York, or any of these other places. Not once did they even say "this is not us, or our message" or anything close to that. That's because these people doing this stuff ARE BLM, not just assholes "hiding under the banner". If they did apologize, separate themselves from, or try to stop the riots/ robbing please give me an example and educate me a little so we can get on the same page.

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@BillRM,

Bill, I appreciate people sharing my frustration with BLM and everything, but the whole black on black crime idea is equally as stereotypical as the idea that white cops hunt down black people for sport. If not more in some ways.

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@tony5732,

the fry 'em chant was from ONE protest on August 29 2015 at the Minnesota State fair in St Paul (a particular hotspot for perceived police-caused deaths of unarmed black men)

http://www.twincities.com/2015/08/30/black-lives-matter-chant-threatening-to-officers-police-say/

My emphasis

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A 19-second video posted on Twitter shows marchers chanting, “Pigs in a blanket, fry ’em like bacon” during the Saturday event. There were no arrests or injuries during the march that police estimated drew 300 to 350 people, while organizers put the number at about 500.

The Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association, an organization of more than 8,500 officers around the state, called the chant “deplorable and threatening” in a statement Monday.

On Sunday, the St. Paul Police Federation’s president, Dave Titus, posted on the Facebook page of the union representing rank-and-file officers, “(T)he SPPD dedicated great resources to ensure the safety and passage of a BLM march to the Fair — even though that march had no legal permit. … Nonetheless, federation members worked within the rules outlined by city and department management to ensure everyone’s safety and freedom of speech, even though some of that speech was outrageous and disgusting.”

Rashad Turner, the Black Lives Matter St. Paul organizer in charge of the Saturday event, responded Monday: “I feel that it’s disgusting that he works for a department that’s the most deadly in the state of Minnesota and yet he has done nothing to change that, he has never spoke out on that. There’s all this uproar over rhetoric, but the uproar isn’t matched over the facts. … The facts are police officers are getting away with killing unarmed black people.”

Titus, who has been a St. Paul police officer for 22 years, said he believes Saturday’s chant “promotes death to cops.”

Turner said Monday that the chant does not “mean literally ‘fry these guys’ or ‘kill them’ or anything like that. It’s ridiculous that a cop can kill someone, be seen on camera doing that, be charged or indicted with murder, and be able to post bail. … What we are promoting is that if black people who kill police officers are going to fry, then we want police officers to face the same treatment that we face as civilians for killing officers.”

St. Paul police officers have been involved in more fatal shootings of suspects than any other department in Minnesota since 2008, according to a Minnesota Public Radio News analysis of law enforcement data earlier this year.

The MPR News analysis shows that 11 of the 61 fatal shootings by officers in Minnesota over the span were in St. Paul. Eight of the St. Paul shootings involved people of color. Minneapolis, which has about 100,000 more people than St. Paul, had four fatal shootings by officers in the same time period.

But you Sean-Hannity-watching denialists drag it out over and over again as if it proves something.

On the whole I prefer chanted rhetoric over a bullet.

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@cicerone imposter,

Ok but Bill would also be correct under your statistical analysis philosophy.... I really don't think that he is. My whole thing is the color should be removed from the equation all together. The reason I side with police on this one is at least with the police there is an attempt to see past the color. A lot of these cops are being put in jail and removed from duty when there is enough evidence of a cop being a racist asshole, because that is NOT the message our police force is trying to convey. When BLM members hurt other people they still have 100% backing from BLM, even when the problem is right in front of them. Then instead of separating themselves from the scum, they run to skin color as an excuse for why they got in trouble, rather than accepting it might have been wrong for the person to do what they were doing.

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@hingehead,

Ok, they cleared up the statement. That works. What about the riots, the bricks through windows, the tipping of cars? Was there anything said about that?

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@tony5732,

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is equally as stereotypical as the idea that white cops hunt down black people for sport. If not more in some ways.

WRONG as the homicide rate for young men broken down by race is given by the CDC.gov and I had posted and link to those numbers time after time on this thread.

For all other groups the first cause of deaths of young men in accidents and then diseases and only last homicides but the first cause of death for black young men are homicides.

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http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCOD_WHITEmen2010.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2006/BlackMales2006.pdf

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@tony5732,

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Ok but Bill would also be correct under your statistical analysis philosophy.... I really don't think that he is

All numbers given by me is from the CDC government website.

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I bet some folks are going to go nuts with the change in the twenty dollar bill.

Change for a $20: Tubman Ousts Jackson

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WASHINGTON — Treasury Secretary Jacob J. Lew on Wednesday announced the most sweeping and historically symbolic makeover of American currency in a century, proposing to replace the slaveholding Andrew Jackson on the $20 bill with Harriet Tubman, the former slave and abolitionist, and to add women and civil rights leaders to the $5 and $10 notes.

Mr. Lew may have reneged on a commitment he made last year to make a woman the face of the $10 bill, opting instead to keep Alexander Hamilton, to the delight of a fan base swollen with enthusiasm over a Broadway rap musical based on the life of the first Treasury secretary.

But the broader remaking of the nation’s paper currency, which President Obama welcomed on Wednesday, may well have captured a historical moment for a multicultural, multiethnic and multiracial nation moving contentiously through the early years of a new century.

I think it is great.

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@tony5732,

You are correct; white police kill more whites than blacks. However, when it comes to serving jail time, blacks serve 20% more time for the same crime.

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