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The Case For Biden

 
 
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2019 03:37 pm
@georgeob1,
I think George thinks unions are great for any company he is not associated with. He also declares the dems an authoritarian party completely ignoring the Trump government hoping you will all miss little Hitler and his todies governing by royal judgment. The laws are only laws if he agrees with them. Trump is a crooked thief who is trying to start a war in order to give him another term.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2019 04:18 pm
@RABEL222,
I've run two companies with significant union membership from the Construction trades Conference and the Steelworkers Union, and agree I would rather see union infestation in a competitor than my own firm. Contrary to popular opinion Unions don't affect wage rates much beyond what is required to pay their dues. However they do destroy the motivation and incentive of the work force with their company paid shop stewards, rigid work rules, and generally hostile attitudes. That's why few American manufacturers invest in states with protective rules for unions. Most of the big manufacturers who once comprised the great majority of private sector union membership have either gone out of business because they couldn't survive their competition, or moved to Right -to-Work States (Of which there are now about 20, compared to 15 a few years ago).

What remains are politically protected government employee unions in which for the most part employees have no say in whether or not they will join the union and pay its dues. (Wisconsin a few years ago made state government Union membership voluntary and it has dropped to less than 25% since then and is still falling.)

There's a principle in biology that intelligent parasites don't kill their hosts. Most unions are rather unintelligent parasites and they can't survive or attract members without government protection and enforcement.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2019 05:27 pm
@georgeob1,
Of course we don't want parasite unions killing off hosts when large companies can do that cheaper and ceo's can do it much faster and with much more gains for ceo's and banks, do you.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 15 May, 2019 06:12 pm
@RABEL222,
It appears to me that apart from your own prejudices you don't know or understand much about the subject, and therefore have nothing to offer but those prejudices.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2019 12:43 am
@georgeob1,
In your supossedly educated opinion.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2019 08:27 am
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Scoop: Joe Biden plans first New York fundraising blitz as a 2020 candidate for president. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo is expected to be invited and hedge fund manager Jim Chanos is slated to attend.
engineer
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2019 01:27 pm
@Brand X,
I've been amazed at how Biden has essentially sucked up all the press and energy. No one is talking about any of the other candidates any more. The debates could change that but for now, it is all Biden, all the time.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2019 01:44 pm
@engineer,
Its too early to get behind any of them. I want to hear their opinions about a variety of things. We have a year and one half till the election. Lets pick one with the best chance of beating our crooked pontus. Surely one can tell electing him caused one of the most conservative supreme courts in history. To the determent of the majority of citizens.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 16 May, 2019 07:22 pm
@RABEL222,
agreed. A poll conducted by F&M College survey (jut Pa), showed that Berni and Biden were both leading Trump by significant numbers among those who voted in 2016.

A significant tide has turned but Trump is a clever clown and he plays his constituency like Fagan. He must not be dismissed as he was in 2016.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 17 May, 2019 06:32 am
@engineer,
Yeah, I sure thought he would have sank by now, but I was listening to too many far left progressives, and factoring in Biden's voting record and other of his political leanings. Apparently those issues are not mattering much at this point, could change later though.

Joe is playing the middle of the road making it a point not to be labeled a socialist. He still tries to convince people he'a a progressive every chance he gets even though that can be easily contradicted by playing a vid of him making statements on where he stands/stood re various issues.

The latest poll from Morning Consult, which got the 2016 popular vote right, is in line with most of the polls these days showing Biden at 39%, Sanders at 19% among a broad sample of Democratic voters.

Currently, it appears Bernie will be voting for Biden, but we'll see.

Lash
 
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Reply Sat 18 May, 2019 10:07 am
This policy definitely divides Bernie from Biden.
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Bernie Sanders Has A Plan To Fix Racial Segregation In American Schools

Sanders’ new plan would allow school districts to use federal money for busing, drawing a sharp contrast with Joe Biden, who fought against efforts to use busing to desegregate schools in the 1970s.

By Molly Hensley-Clancy and Ruby Cramer
Map of Orangeburg, South Carolina
Reporting From
Orangeburg, South Carolina
Last updated on May 18, 2019, at 11:50 a.m. ET
Posted on May 18, 2019, at 10:29 a.m. ET

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ORANGEBURG, S.C. — Sen. Bernie Sanders released a plan Saturday to repair the American public education system that focuses on ending school segregation and racial discrimination against students, recognizing a growing outcry over schools that have become increasingly re-segregated in the wake of the landmark Brown vs. Board of Education Supreme Court decision that was handed down 65 years ago Friday.

The plan would try to revive the force of the federal government’s efforts in the 1950s and 1960s to end the separation of students by race, help school districts that are trying to desegregate their own schools, and address funding disparities that mean students of color often end up in schools that have less money and more inexperienced teachers.

It also drives a wedge into the crowded field of Democrats vying for the 2020 presidential nomination by taking on charter schools, banning for-profit charters and temporarily halting funding for new nonprofit charters. Some of Sanders’ opponents, like Sen. Cory Booker, have been forceful advocates for expanding charters.

The Vermont senator outlined the plan on Saturday morning at Life Cathedral Church in Orangeburg, South Carolina, a key early-voting state in next year's Democratic primary, which rests heavily on black voters. In 2016, Sanders lost the primary here to Hillary Clinton by 47.5%.

His town hall is the fourth stop in a four-day, four-state swing through North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Alabama, where he will highlight policy on education and environmental justice.

Sanders’ blueprint — called the Thurgood Marshall Education Plan, after the lawyer who argued the Brown case before becoming the first black Supreme Court justice — draws a stark contrast to former Vice President Joe Biden, who fought against desegregating schools in the 1970s. Biden, who is leading Sanders in Democratic polls, sought the support of segregationists in a bitter battle against court-ordered “busing,” or the transportation of students to other schools and districts in order to end racial separation.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2019 12:42 pm
@Brand X,
WAYYYYYY...too early to make any predictions.

I'd rather be where Biden is now than where any of the other candidates sit, but Sanders, at least, isn't going to go down without swinging, and there's a lot to swing at with Uncle Joe.

The polls now are meaningless. When will people learn?
Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2019 12:49 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
He has a bit of an 8 year no-fire zone around him because that would touch on Obama. So those 8 years might be the 'best' years of his career.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 20 May, 2019 12:52 pm
@Brand X,
I agree to some extent, but he has something like 40 years of political life so that leaves around 32 to pick from.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2019 07:52 am
@snood,
snood wrote:

My god, is it that set in formula, to you? Pander to the left for primary, then politic the center for the general? Do strong beliefs in progressive policies and the strength of conviction to stand by them play any part in this election, in your estimation?

And please, I know it’s challenging, but try and attempt to muster a response that doesn’t accuse me of naïveté. I’ve probably seen and voted in about as many presidential elections as anyone here.

I've seen it done over and over. By candidates of both parties.

Pander to "highly motivated voters" in the party to get the nomination, then move back to the center to try to get enough support to win the election.

Not everyone does it, but enough that it's a recognizable pattern.

(I'd swear Nixon said something on the subject, but I'll be damned if I can find a quote.)
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2019 07:56 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Its too early to get behind any of them.


Yup.

The herd will be culled somewhat, I hope, before it's time for me to vote in a primary.....
RABEL222
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2019 10:25 am
@DrewDad,
Just keep one thing in mind. Anyone but Trump. Even Putin.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 22 May, 2019 01:47 pm
@RABEL222,
Quote:
Anyone but Trump. Even Putin.


Is there a difference between them? (aside from shifty eyes and weight)
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revelette1
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 09:42 am
Over the past few days I have quietly gave it some thought, if it comes down to Bernie and Biden in the primaries, I am voting for Bernie Sanders. I simple agree with more of his proposals. Frankly Biden has not even brought forth any ideas than I know of except what most everybody besides diehard Trump fans and those who go along out of morally bankrupt idea of wanting conservative Judges all over the United States, an anti-Trump campaign. In 2016, I wouldn't have said or meant it no matter if someone held my foot to the fire that I would support Bernie Sanders. (hyperbole, I can take little pain...)Unlike Biden, Hillary did have ideas and they were sensible, she just had an unfortunate way of expressing them that came out all wrong and ended up alienating people, even those on the left or those who could have been persuaded to be left. She would have made an excellent President but she is over now. This time Bernie is coming up with even more policy proposals than he did in 2016 and they are good policy proposals. Not just talking about free stuff.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 24 May, 2019 10:35 am
@revelette1,
Good thinking.
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