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The Case For Biden

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 01:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The timing of the report is important, happening at the same time as a strike on pro Iranian militias in Syria.

It leaves the door open for the Iranians themselves.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 02:24 pm
@izzythepush,
During the Trump period, the U.S. was failing to hold Mohammed bin Salman accountable. I wonder, if Biden will act differently.(Doubt it)
revelette3
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 02:24 pm
@izzythepush,
What have they won? We went in because of Bin Laden, he is dead. So not sure what they have won.

The only reason I can see that we are even there has been the thought of leaving a vacuum to be filled by terrorist groups. That could happen no matter if we stay until the end of time.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 02:44 pm
@revelette3,
They believe they have won Afghanistan back and repelled an invasion.

That’s their mindset.
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 03:13 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

During the Trump period, the U.S. was failing to hold Mohammed bin Salman accountable. I wonder, if Biden will act differently.(Doubt it)


This is my first big problem with the Biden presidency. Now it is taking the position that to sanction MBS could potentially “rupture the relationship “ with an ally. During his campaign, he very clearly said that he would not coddle the murderers of Jamal Khashoggie, but that he would work to isolate and exact consequences on MBS.

It’s a disappointment, to put it mildly.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 06:46 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
so far your predictions about democratic majorities are sixteen years off.

Not really. I called 2016 exactly.

And winning 2020 the same way that Jimmy Carter did makes it quite likely that the Biden Administration will have about the same amount of success.

Ready for another 1980??
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 06:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
more of the usual nonsense.

Progressives really hate facts, but no. Facts are not nonsense.

Outlawing the Democratic Party would not violate the Constitution.

Progressives are the ones who violate people's rights for fun.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 06:48 pm
@revelette3,
revelette3 wrote:
The only reason I can see that we are even there has been the thought of leaving a vacuum to be filled by terrorist groups. That could happen no matter if we stay until the end of time.

If we stay until the end of time, that will prevent terrorist groups from having free reign in Afghanistan.

Also, we still haven't gotten all the members of al-Qa'ida.

Leader:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayman_al-Zawahiri

Military Chief:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saif_al-Adel

Financial Chief:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezedin_Abdel_Aziz_Khalil

Explosives and Chemical Weapons Specialist:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Sayyid_Muhamed_Mustafa_al-Bakri
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 07:35 pm
@oralloy,
Trump has figured in 3 elections, two directly, one in what amounted to a referendum on his policies, and he was not been the voters' choice in sny of them. He lost worse in 2020 after having signally failed to garner any additional support with his four years as prez. He has never had majority support in the country.. Demographically he's losing, his base is getting older and dying and he's making no inroads with younger voters who come to voting age. Time is against him, he's a coronary waiting to happen. 10 weeks of lies, disinformation and bullying failed to change his loss in 2020,, despite his frenzied attempts to steal the elecction and the final murderous rampage he hoped would swing it for him. He's been a failure, and the majority of the country knows it, and won't evder trust him again.
oralloy
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 08:09 pm
@MontereyJack,
We'll see what the voters have to say in 2022 and 2024.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2021 09:48 pm
@oralloy,
My goodness, you've finally said something true. Beginner's luck, i guess.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 02:55 am
@MontereyJack,
Stop lying about me. I always tell the truth.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 03:10 am
@oralloy,
heh.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 03:36 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Stop lying about me. I always tell the truth.


Except when addressing anything regarding Donald Trump, or on any day of the week with the letter ‘y’ in its name.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 03:41 am
@snood,
You're lying. You cannot provide a single example of me ever failing to tell the truth.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 03:44 am
@snood,
What would you have Biden do?

He’s effectively cut MBS out of the loop which isolates him.

MBS retains enormous popularity inside Saudi Arabia itself where he is considered a reformer.

And let’s not forget that Saudis are fiercely patriotic and any further pressure would probably be counterproductive.

Compared to Trump’s approach of brushing everything under the carpet I think it’s quite a bold move.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 05:26 am
@izzythepush,
I don’t really know what steps he can take, but there is a BIG difference in the rhetoric he was using before he got in office and now. He didn’t used to seem so worried about the politics and “rupturing the relationship” with the Saudis.

You say he’s done something bold, but what has he done to “cut him out of the loop”?
All I’ve seen is a statement that he will not personally take any meetings with him - socially snub him.

And let’s not insult everyone’s intelligence by comparing Donald Trump’s presidency in any way to Biden’s. That slob wasn’t even an decent human being, much less an actual functioning president.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 05:38 am
@snood,
In Saudi Arabia the relationship with America is crucial. If he can’t talk to America he will have problems governing a country with a huge royal family all pissed off about being locked up and forced to hand over a **** ton of loot.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 05:41 am
@izzythepush,
sometimes ones political rehtoric needs to make sure you dont have the revolver pointed at ones own head.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 27 Feb, 2021 05:43 am
@farmerman,
I think Biden has isolated MSB as much as is possible. Anything else will be counter productive in a fiercely patriotic country that doesn’t want to be told what to do by an outsider.
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