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Same Sex Marriage

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:05 pm
dys, Something I learned from christians: I love bigots/sinners, I just hate their bigotry/sins. Wink c.i.
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Tommy
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:12 pm
I voted that I don't care either way - but to be perfectly honest I really don't understand the point of same-sex marriage. Am I missing something?
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:21 pm
c.i. -- Fair enough. By that definition, however, you can have a breeder-loathing, class warrior sort of bigot, as well, who would clearly not fit the bill of sale. (Just quibbling for the sake of quibbling, you understand.)

dlow -- why, prudishness and bigotry, of course! Go down that road, though, and you have to admit group marriages, polygamy, and whatnot. The conventional marriage has been taken as a convenient unit, and the prime motivators for wanting the recognition of homosexual marriages is inheritance of property and the sharing of (primarily health care) benefits. Polygamy is outlawed in every state in the U.S., which I should think is not constitutional but is highly unlikely ever to be given serious review. The problem in terms of health care benefits would be quite a snag, however.

Personally, I'm not sure why marriage in itself is institutionalized anyway. I suppose the main function of institutionalized marriage is to protect the interests of children of the union, which is in itself a great presumption, whether the marriage be straight, crooked, or alternative.

New can of worms?
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:27 pm
Don't forget marriage is forever. At least until the divorce.
Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Evil or Very Mad
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:45 pm
In many, if not all, states, a couple living together for x years has the same legal standing as one with a marriage certificate. Wink c.i.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 05:52 pm
c.i., there's definitely a host of circumstances in which "common law" isn't equivalent to a "real" marriage. I'd have to look up specifics, though -- let me know if you want 'em.

patiodog, yeah, if you get right down to it, marriage is a pretty odd institution. It was mainly about property rights, including the wife as property, for a long time. (Again, have to look this up -- did a bunch of reading around when I got married and did a lot of "but where's the romance???"-type exclaiming.) If you go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back, like cavemen (-women, -people), it's probably about kids and preserving genes and that kind of thing. But a lot of the modern institution of marriage has to do with "yo, papa, you don't own her anymore -- I do! Give her away already."

(Is anyone surprised that there was no mention of "obey" in my marriage vows? Twisted Evil)
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:04 pm
Hey, that was nice of you not to make him say it. ;-)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:07 pm
Some things are so obvious as to make stating them redundant... Wink
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:08 pm
Here's a link that explains "common law marriage."

http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/faqs/detail.cfm/objectid/709FAEE4-ABEA-4E17-BA34836388313A3C


c.i.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:12 pm
Thanks, c.i. Right, that confirmed what I remembered, that just living together for x number of years doesn't confer the same rights. Only a "handful" of states recognize it when not only the number of years have passed, but

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-hold themselves out as a married couple -- typically this means using the same last name, referring to the other as "my husband" or "my wife" and filing a joint tax return, and
-intend to be married.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:42 pm
In Canada, you don't even have to live together to have common-law status. Having a child together is enough. That OR living together for one year. The rights and responsibilities of what i call 'intended marriage' are forced on you if you're not very very careful.

The last name thing sozobe quoted is kind of funny, as in one province the woman is NOT allowed to change her name on marriage.

I don't think we know that cave people got married, or had anything we would consider much more than a temporary pair bond.
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patiodog
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:46 pm
What cave people? We do have the a vast body of various types of societies extant today to consider, ranging from hunter-gatherer tribal groups to the most technologically advanced habitat exploiters. Has anybody read any statistics on the frequency of monogamy in various of today's cultures? (Monogamy as a cultural construct rather than a strictly observed practice, of course!)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 06:56 pm
ehBeth, The last name thing is even funnier here in the US. Many women keep their maiden name after marriage, and some men even take over the wive's last name. What a laugh! c.i.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:02 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
ehBeth, The last name thing is even funnier here in the US. Many women keep their maiden name after marriage, and some men even take over the wive's last name. What a laugh! c.i.


errrrr, both of those seem kinda normal to me, c.i.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:08 pm
yeppies. Ditto.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:08 pm
Mind you - my last name is a pill!
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:10 pm
Deb Pill? Now that IS weird! Wink
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:10 pm
you're really weeIbuprofen?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:11 pm
hey barkeep! how long are you keepin' that hat on, AND holdin' back on the bevvies?
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fishin
 
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Reply Fri 10 Jan, 2003 07:19 pm
The bar is always open! Another round for the house!

I lost my original Avatar though.. I needs ta goes and finds it again!
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