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When will Hillary Clinton give up her candidacy ?

 
 
snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 03:06 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Just wondering - Is your main motivation for the negative posts about Clinton to try to convince others to abandon her as a candidate?
ehBeth
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 03:22 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Good to see that she's able to consider new information.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 03:43 pm
Her life will be a living hell for the 13 months.

The next eight years should be easier to handle as a result.
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roger
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 04:09 pm
@snood,
snood wrote:

Just wondering - Is your main motivation for the negative posts about Clinton to try to convince others to abandon her as a candidate?


Now, that is a question I should have been asking. In spite of the number of views showing for these posts, I doubt there are over 25 people actually reading all this. If I ever find the bandwagon for me, I wonder what would happed if I converted all 25 to vote for whomever.
snood
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 04:47 pm
@roger,
roger wrote:

snood wrote:

Just wondering - Is your main motivation for the negative posts about Clinton to try to convince others to abandon her as a candidate?


Now, that is a question I should have been asking. In spite of the number of views showing for these posts, I doubt there are over 25 people actually reading all this. If I ever find the bandwagon for me, I wonder what would happed if I converted all 25 to vote for whomever.

Obviously nothing would "happen" as the result of 25 votes, going to whoever. But you know that, so I take it this is another instance of your gracing us with your singular wit?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:19 pm
@snood,
I believe in an informed choice. That requires information. You informed me regarding her stand on Social Security for example and it caused me to modify a misconception into an informed opinion.

You aren't suggesting I am off topic here or spreading any misinformation, are you?

I believe Hillary Clinton evolved her position on Keystone. It is my fervent hope she will evolve other of her positions that I am confident you may well disagree with also. For example, you didn't know about her cap positions on Social Security. I would also like her to change her mind about that and also I hope to hear her advocate means testing for SS. It was never meant to subsidize my parent's world travel. My parents should not be collecting SS. They do not need it.

I want her to evolve on her stated position on three strike laws. I think it is possible you may want that, also.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:24 pm
@ehBeth,
Absolutely. I am counting on it. She will evolve a lot in the next fourteen months. Maybe the best thing Bernie Sanders will do in this election is pull Hillary Clinton left. At least a little.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:26 pm
@roger,
We're just conversing. We aren't considering voting members off the island, are we?
ehBeth
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:29 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Given that their positions other than in foreign affairs/defense are almost identical, it'll be a neat trick, but it could happen.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:35 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Hillary Clinton and three strike laws

This is her last public statement about it:

514 Tenth St. NW, Suite 1000, Washington, DC 20004 • Tel. 202.628.0871 • Fax 202.628.1091

www.sentencingproject.org

HILLARY CLINTON

“Three-strikes-and-you’re-out” law

“We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders.

The ‘three-strikes-and-you’re-out’ for violent offenders has to be part of the plan.

We need more prisons* to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.”

Annual Women in Policing, August 10, 1994

http://www.issues2000.org/Domestic/Hillary_Clinton_Crime.htm

*I am assuming she still feels this way in times of falling crime rates she's still taking sizable contributions from the private prison lobby and companies like Corrections Corporation of America.


http://www.sentencingproject.org/doc/File/three%20strikes%20law_presidential.pdf

I would like to know: has she evolved this opinion?
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roger
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:42 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
No. I was responding to his question to you? That seems to be a problem for yourself and Snood. I can't imagine why.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 05:52 pm
@ehBeth,
I believe their difference are more substantive than that.

Hillary Clinton is politician enough to understand her problem isn't placating or mimicking Bernie Sander, its getting Bernie Sanders voters to commit to her if and when she gets the nod.

I've read that polls indicate that a Clinton/Bush race would chill voter turnout. Even though she would beat Bush, her immediate problem is a hostile Congress. Low voter turnout almost always favor Republicans. And we need to change Congress. I'd trade Bernie Sanders in a moment for Hillary Clinton if we got a start on the rebuilding of an effective Congress.

She's not my favorite candidate because I disagree with her on too many issues none of which is a make or break issue by itself. But together they make me prefer Bernie Sanders.

If I am going to have her as my candidate (and the smart money says I will), I want her to get tough on the banks, Wall Street and the private prison industry, to work to banning fracking, to work to a single payer plan(I haven't seen too much on her proposal), to propose ending capital punishment, three strike laws, mandatory minimum sentencing, a better plan than she's offered for crushing student debt ......

At least she needs to explain herself so that even if I disagree I can understand where she is coming from.

I will vote, I just won't vote for the clown car and as our election system is configured third party votes are pretty much dumb, I am voting for whoever gets the Democratic nod.

Do not confuse me with Lash or Hawkeye.
Frank Apisa
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 06:03 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
I think there are many people who are thinking just like you are in that post, Bobsal.

I hope so. It makes sense.

I think it will be Hillary in the first slot; not sure of who will fill the second slot.

But no matter what...the Dem ticket will be vastly preferable to the Republican one.

I'm sure Hillary can be a bitch. It happens. We've had presidents who have been very, very testy...so no big deal.



bobsal u1553115
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 06:25 pm
@roger,
I don't think we have trouble, we just disagree on a few things.
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coldjoint
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 07:05 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
But no matter what...the Dem ticket will be vastly preferable to the Republican one.


Vastly preferable if you wish to see America disappear, and with it the rest of the civilized world.
RABEL222
 
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Thu 24 Sep, 2015 09:55 pm
@hawkeye10,
This from a Trump lover and you have the balls to question my IQ.
hawkeye10
 
  -1  
Thu 24 Sep, 2015 10:50 pm
@RABEL222,
I have no information on the assertion of either that I am not smart nor that Trump supporters in general are not smart. Do you have a link to a study that says that?
revelette2
 
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Fri 25 Sep, 2015 05:48 am
@hawkeye10,
Common sense asserts there is some kind of hate in an individual who supports Trump given his hateful views on women and minorities... almost any given group besides white obnoxious males with traits like him.
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revelette2
 
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Fri 25 Sep, 2015 05:52 am
The NYT hasn't been exactly supportive at times downright deceitful in bringing the latest updates on the Hillary email situation, nevertheless:

Hillary Clinton Email Inquiry Weighs if Aides Erred at ‘Send’
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hawkeye10
 
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Fri 25 Sep, 2015 06:22 am
Quote:
Washington (CNN)Hillary Clinton contrasts herself with Republicans in her campaign's newest television ad, the first time she has done so.

The ad, entitled "Get Ahead," knocks Republicans for not supporting equal pay for women, paid family leave or allowing students to refinance student debt and tracks with what Clinton regularly says in her campaign stump speech.

"If you work hard, and do you part, you should be able to get ahead and stay ahead," Clinton says in the ad. "But the Republicans, they want to go back to letting the super wealthy call the shots. They don't stand up for equal pay for women. They don't support paid family leave. They don't even really support refinancing student debt."

She adds, "We've got to get this economy working for the vast majority of Americans, not just for those at the top. That's what I intend to do as president."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/hillary-clinton-get-ahead-ad/index.html
How does a person running on experience come to approve an ad that is contradicting itself? Where was the alarm in her head "People this does not work, fix it"?

This is a constant problem for her, she hires tons of high priced talent, and then they regularly provide amateur work.
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